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  • fantumfan2003
    Member
    • Nov 2003
    • 59

    #81
    Originally posted by Curious
    India imported 1000 peneterator bombs from Israel around 2001 for US$ 20,000 each for fitting with LGB kits.
    Hmm....which type ??? M2K do carry the BGL-1000 (maybe even -400 and -250) the pic could even be a BGL-1000 with penetrator warhead....

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    • fantumfan2003
      Member
      • Nov 2003
      • 59

      #82
      Originally posted by Harry
      First pic of IAF MiG-29s carrying underwing drop tanks

      http://www.thehinduimages.com/hindu/...hotoId=4210580

      Also updated http://www.acig.org/exclusives/aero/Aero_India.htm

      Nice find....a Pilot told me MiG-29s are used with with three droptanks and four R-73s for longrange missions...the three additional droptanks increase
      fuel capacity by 3700 litres

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      • fantumfan2003
        Member
        • Nov 2003
        • 59

        #83
        Its a Paveway II with Penetrator...

        Originally posted by Harry
        Atlis-II or Litening?
        Itook a closer look at the image...and find its a Paveway II LGB kit with Penetrator...on a standard British 1000LB bomb...Similar in looks to British Paveway III ELGBs ....Guys could it be we have got those ???? ELGBs with LG and GPS guidance in one unit ???

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        • Kovy
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Apr 2004
          • 1461

          #84
          The IAF used advanced AA-12 Adder missiles that do not require continued pilot control and allow the attacking pilot to fire and fly away:
          Wrong. The AA-12, like all other active BVRAAM (amraam, mica), need the support of the aircraft radar for mid-course updates until its seeker is in range (about 15 km from the target)

          The Mirage 2000s carried the active Mica missile. Aerospace industry officials said that some of the radars the U.S. pilots encountered, including that of the Mirage 2000s, exhibited different characteristics than those on standard versions of the aircraft.
          If France had sold mica to india and if the Indian mirage 2000 could use them, it would really be a big scoop.
          The Rafale international forum :
          http://rafale.freeforums.org/

          Rafale news blog :
          http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/

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          • fantumfan2003
            Member
            • Nov 2003
            • 59

            #85
            Originally posted by vikasrehman
            MMRCA related question.

            Although, IAF could opt for any of four types, i.e. F-16, Gripen, M2K-5 or Mig-29M2, the latter two are most logical choices for obvious reasons. OTOH, some some reports also mentions that India may decide to go for a mix of these two. Since India wants to purchase with ToT, and we know that ToT involves licence fee etc. as well as the fact that unit price is related to number of produced units, my question is (if india decided to go for mix option both with ToT) what sort of affect would this have on unit price and would it be worth it?
            The Current IAF CAS Mr Tyagi mentioned all MMRCA aircraft will be procured from Single Source...

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            • Hyperwarp
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2004
              • 3694

              #86
              I believe, only the BISON could Carry the AA-12....(since MKI was not used....)

              Su-30 MK-1 : AA-10
              M2K H/TH : Super 530D???
              Last edited by Hyperwarp; 24th March 2005, 14:49.
              Important Hyper Note: I am NOT an Aeronautical Engineer NOR an Aerospace Expert, etc, etc nor do I claim to be one.
              Regards,
              Hyper McStupid

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              • Victor
                Nobama 08 Keep the change
                • Jan 2000
                • 2057

                #87
                Maybe the IAF wanted the USAF F-15s to roleplay the IAF's most likely advesary, a force that is numerically and technologically inferior to the IAF?
                But what a fool believes, he sees
                No wise man has the power to reason away

                -The Doobie Brothers

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                • black eagle
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 256

                  #88
                  IAF for homegrown UAVs

                  The Indian Air Force today urged defence scientists to design and develop homegrown unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) to eventually replace the Israeli-made Heron and Searcher UAVs in its inventory.

                  "The Searcher and Heron UAVs need replacement (in the long run). If a similar one is ready from you, we are ready for that," Indian Air Force Air-officer-in Charge, Personnel, Air Marshal A K Nagalia said in his foundation day lecture at the Aeronautical Developement Establishment, a DRDO unit, involved in development of UAVs in the country.

                  India acquired a few years ago, Heron medium-altitude long endurance UAVs and Searcher tactical multi-role UAVs from Israel for search and surveillance and their life-time is likely to end by the beginning of the next decade.

                  With a theme "IAF-ADE: A user perspective", Nagalia said ADE should exploit the Nishant UAV design for armed UAV applications like a ground launched anti-radiation missile system or the sensors built target destroy system.

                  "Think out of the box," he said, urging Indian scientists to exploit existing designs of Lakshya, the pilotless target aircraft, which could be converted into a surface launched cruise missile or a long range tactical delivery system.

                  Nagalia said ADE should take the lead in building end-to-end simulator solutions, that includes full mission handling, procedures training, flying, navigation and weapons delivery, besides "real time air combat manoeuvering".

                  Predicting the future of warfare to be network centric, Nagalia said satellites, airborne warning systems, UAVs, fighters and sensors would be integrated with a central command and control system.

                  He said IAF needed indigenous warfare systems due to various reasons such as the fear of sanctions by a foreign nation,which India experienced after the 1998 Pokhran nuclear tests, obsolete technology provided by foreign suppliers, outflow of huge resources, embedded software, and problems in spares and maintenance.

                  Nagalia stressed on the need for ensuring that the end product conformed to specifications, easy availability of components and raw materials besides being affordable.

                  "We have a very wide canvas of requirements. We will make every effort to help you design products and are also willing to spare our people for the projects," he said.

                  Former National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL) Director T S Prahlad said the aeronautics industry had not kept pace with the space sector in India and stressed the need for defined and cohesive management structure, increased funding for R&D, adherence to agreed time frame and quality standards.

                  "We should devise an Indian model for success in aerospace," he said.

                  ADE Director MD Aravamudhan said unit was planning to build a series of UAVs and other tactical products for the armed forces.

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                  • 21Ankush
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 1951

                    #89
                    Originally posted by Arthur
                    Would that make 30sqn the MKI OCU, with 20sqn either OpEval or actually operational?
                    That seems unlikely Arthur. Harry mentioned in his write up on the No.30 Rhinos that its a young unit even by IAF standards, manned by a lot of new Sukhoi pilots. an OCU would be staffed by a lot of experienced Su-30 pilots. I'd be more inclined to believe that No.20 Lightnings are the OCU unit for the MKI.

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                    • vipul
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 1

                      #90
                      US Offers Co-Production of F-18 and Nuclear Reactors to India.

                      http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/n...hp?newsid=1944

                      NEW DELHI: In a dramatic decision, the United States on Friday night offered the co-production of F-18 fighter jets to India.

                      This follows the US decision to sell a number of F-16 fighter planes to Pakistan. Indian would be licensed by the United States to produce at least six times the number of planes that would have been sold to Pakistan.

                      The F-18 Hornets is a two-engined long-range tactical strike aircraft and is superior to the F-16. In the United States, the F-18 is the mainstay of the US Naval airpower. The F-18 can cover several thousand miles for bombing operations and in terms of speed and manoeuvrability; it is far superior to the F-16.

                      In another decision, the United States has agreed to help India's civilian nuclear programme with the possible sale of nuclear reactors that would be used to generate electricity.

                      The nuclear energy was one of the major subjects that were discussed between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice during her recent visit to New Delhi. Although Pentagon has not make known the parameters for sale of nuclear technology to India, informed sources said that it will be worked out shortly.

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                      • Sameer
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 1206

                        #91
                        How about giving the green light for the Arrow missile and Pakistan could buy 100 F-16s if it wants.

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                        • Arshad
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 411

                          #92
                          doubtfull india will go for US planes,

                          1. India does not trust the US for guaranteed supplies
                          2. If India would go for it, Russia will also begin exporting to Pakistan
                          3. etc

                          But, well nothing is certain.

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                          • Sameer
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 1206

                            #93
                            Cough cough

                            Russia exporting to Pakistan? simply because India would go for another fighter for the 126 multirole ac requirement, dont make me laugh man, russia knows that there are other deals in the pipeline for it, russia will have an Indian customer for a long time to come, obvious if you look at all the current long term agreements, I dont mean to ffend your country but Pakistan does not really offer a large export market for millitary equipment, F-16s have been bought, we dont even know how much that will cost and how much of that will be subsidized by Uncle, there is the FC-1, Pakistan is not a rich country. Let us not get ahead of ourselves here. Remember that F-16s are the first fighters to have been bought for a long time, 4th gen fighters that is.

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                            • Arshad
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 411

                              #94
                              Originally posted by Sameer
                              Cough cough

                              Russia exporting to Pakistan? simply because India would go for another fighter for the 126 multirole ac requirement, dont make me laugh man, russia knows that there are other deals in the pipeline for it, russia will have an Indian customer for a long time to come, obvious if you look at all the current long term agreements, I dont mean to ffend your country but Pakistan does not really offer a large export market for millitary equipment, F-16s have been bought, we dont even know how much that will cost and how much of that will be subsidized by Uncle, there is the FC-1, Pakistan is not a rich country. Let us not get ahead of ourselves here. Remember that F-16s are the first fighters to have been bought for a long time, 4th gen fighters that is.
                              It was stated by the russian officials several times in news reports. , india is more and more getting systems from US instead of its traditional supplier. My country is the Netherlands, not Pakistan, "my roots" are only there. There isnt a need to make such arguments, lets stay on topic.
                              Last edited by Arshad; 25th March 2005, 19:03.

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                              • Fulcrums
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 87

                                #95
                                At this time, until the F-18 story is confirmed by another source other than the Times of India, it should be taken with a large cup of salt.

                                While very interesting if true, this could be pure DDM ignorance.

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                                • Kovy
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Apr 2004
                                  • 1461

                                  #96
                                  If The F-18E is offered, a rafale proposal will follow from France.
                                  The Rafale international forum :
                                  http://rafale.freeforums.org/

                                  Rafale news blog :
                                  http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/

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                                  • zubairi
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jul 2004
                                    • 77

                                    #97
                                    I am sure US would like to keep good relations with India and in the midst of current US offer of f-16s to Pakistan, I forsee a similar proposal for Patriot sale to India to keep both sides happy. Pakistan won't be able to complain on this sale as they are getting new f-16s and same goes for India.

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                                    • Himanshu
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Oct 2003
                                      • 708

                                      #98
                                      Unkil is doing some hard political manouvering here.. let's see how it turns out in next couple of weeks..

                                      but anyway it's a great deal/win for pres musharraf.. politically..

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                                      • JonS
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jul 2004
                                        • 769

                                        #99
                                        not sure if this news is true if its wontbe suprised since boeing has been lobbying hard for it since F-16s dont have a chance of beating out M-2000s for IAF 120+ requirment. But F-18s in the otherhand does have a shot in sense politically motivated (*cough beat out the french domination in that region).

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                                        • Victor
                                          Nobama 08 Keep the change
                                          • Jan 2000
                                          • 2057

                                          You know the thread that's coming...

                                          F-16C/D Blk52 vs. F/A-18E/F
                                          But what a fool believes, he sees
                                          No wise man has the power to reason away

                                          -The Doobie Brothers

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