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  • George J
    Oracleologist
    • Nov 2003
    • 571

    #21
    The K's didnt fly non-stop, they did stop over in Jyanklis,Egypt even though they had AAR.

    Also I dont think the No.24 boys have to fly to France to 'wet their pants', they have been happily wetting their pants in the service of the country and the MKI programs for a long long time......all those AL-31Fs were not sacrificed in vein.
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    • Arthur
      a plane pour moi
      • Jan 2000
      • 9056

      #22
      In case anyone was offended: think , not for my previous post.
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      • DeepSpace
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2003
        • 297

        #23
        Originally posted by junipergoth
        any ideas on what the israelis will field in the exersice against india?
        Two-Seaters F-16s, probably D models.

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        • rockgordon
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2000
          • 317

          #24
          Originally posted by vikraal
          No the first batch of 18, 001 to 018 are all vanilla Su-30K's
          The first 8, i.e. SB001-SB008 are Su-30MK (just barely different from the vanilla Su-27UB), whereas the second batch of 10 Indonesian Su-30K are from SB009-SB018. So the ones in the picture are from the second batch.

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          • Indian1973
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2003
            • 2884

            #25
            are the singapore and IDF F-16s of the same standard ? singapore sent some F-16s in 2004 and will be a regular visitor in india from now on. a base in bengal is being upg'ed to serve as a station for foreign teams.

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            • vikraal
              Senior Member
              • May 2005
              • 188

              #26
              Oh yes, you are right, but what I meant was that they are still basic MK's not MKI's.

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              • Indian1973
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2003
                • 2884

                #27
                defencenews:

                Indian Air Force Comes to France
                By PIERRE TRAN, ISTRES, France

                Against the sound of cicadas singing in the Mediterranean heat, Indian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 fighters took off from this French air base in their first exercise in European skies, marking New Delhis desire to strengthen ties with Western militaries.

                Their Russian-built jets roared into the clear sky on twin afterburners, eager to engage French Mirage 2000s off the southern coast.

                The flying exercise, dubbed Garuda II, also signaled Frances interest in cultivating defense links with India, a regional power which is looking to augment its armory with new attack submarines and a fleet of 126 multirole combat aircraft.

                The French naval chief of staff underlined his countrys interests in maintaining a military presence in the region. The island of Reunion in the Indian Ocean is directly governed by Paris under the status of an overseas region and France has historical links with India, Adm. Alain Oudot de Dainville told reporters June 21.

                Indias mixed fleet of Western and Russian aircraft includes Jaguar light strike aircraft, Mirage 2000s, MiG-29s and Su-30 fighters.

                As part of the air force exercise, six Su-30K fighters and an Ilyushin Il-78 in-flight refueling aircraft flew against and with six French Mirage 2000s and a C-135 FR air tanker, base commander Gen. Bruno Clermont told reporters June 22.

                Indias cooperation with foreign air forces is fairly recent, but marks an eagerness to learn procedures and tactics with friendly forces.

                Group Capt. Shreesh Mohan told reporters here that the Indian Air Force started flying with a foreign military in 2003, in Garuda I, when four French Mirages flew to India for exercises with their Indian counterparts.

                Indian pilots flew six Jaguars to Alaska last July to operate with the U.S. Air Force and, in other exercises, took part in operations with the services of Singapore and South Africa last autumn. Indian Air Force pilots bested U.S. F-15 pilots in an exercise in India last year.

                Practicing Interoperability

                Garuda II marked Indias first deployment of its Su-30s to Europe, and a first refueling of the Russian-built aircraft with a French C-135 tanker, Mohan said.

                There is a lot of learning value in training with the French Air Force, which we consider a very professional air force, he said.

                Mohan declined to comment on Indias tender for new fighters, in which France is offering the Mirage 2000-5 against the Saab Gripen, MiG-29 and Lockheed Martin F-16. Although Indian pilots had flown against the F-16 and other foreign aircraft, he said, Flying with an air force is one thing; evaluating an aircraft [to buy] is another challenge.

                He added, Were very happy with the Mirage 2000. India has operated the French fighter for some 20 years. The Mirage 2000-5 would have a more advanced radar, to allow air defense and strike missions.

                In Garuda II, a French Mirage 2000 RDI was scheduled to refuel from the high-winged Il-78 tanker. The cross-refueling exercises meant that if France sent Mirage jets into the region, it could ask for refueling support from India, rather than send its own C-135s, allowing an enormous saving, French Air Force Gen. Alain Perriault said.

                Both the French and Indian aircraft use the flexible drogue-and-hose refueling system, while the C-135 also is equipped with the rigid boom used by the U.S. Air Force.

                Mohan said the fighter exercise showed an understanding between the two governments for good bilateral relations and enhanced defense cooperation. The deployment of Indian fighter and support aircraft and 125 personnel was a major undertaking and a valuable lesson in organization and interoperability, he said.

                The Indian aircraft flew in two stages: a six-hour leg to Egypt with a stop near Alexandria, then a four-hour flight to this base near Marseille, southern France.

                During the eight-day exercise, the two air forces would dogfight and fly mixed patrols as well as engage in increasingly complex operations, designed to show each other how to interact.

                Simulated beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles were used during the dogfights. Wing Cmdr. KVR Raju said the Su-30 carries the A12, which uses an active radar and infrared seeker and has a range of 15 to 18 miles. The Mirage 2000 is armed with the Mica, which is also a BVR weapon.

                In Garuda I, the Indian pilots used the semi-active R27ER missile, which requires the pilot to use the Su-30s radar to illuminate the target throughout the engagement.

                Other assets planned for use in the exercise included a Mirage 2000N, an E3-F airborne warning and control system aircraft and Tucano turboprops, to simulate transport aircraft.

                Mohan declined to give the maximum range of the Su-30, with midair refueling from the Il-78.

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                • Indian1973
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 2884

                  #28
                  French article: (translation below)
                  http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=306433

                  The Indian army on the tarmac French pix the country wants to prove that it plays in the court of the great military powers.

                  By Jean-Domenica MERCHET pix Friday June 24, 2005 (Release - 06:00) pix special correspondent Istres pix on the tarmac crushed sun, the six Sukhoi 30 Indians make to figure of giants beside the Mirage 2000 French. Unusual scene that these large hunters of 25 tons, very of blue painted, operating on an air basis of the French Air Force.

                  For the first time, Indian aviation indeed came to be involved in France with its counterparts of hunting. From the 17 to June 28, the base of Istres (Rhone delta) accomodates the exercise "Garuda". The planes of the two countries carry out common missions of air defense and in-flight refueling.
                  Only difficulty: Sukhoi and Mirage do not use the same fuel...

                  For the Indians, it is a question of showing that they play from now on in the court of the great military powers. "Very little country is able to also deploy fighters far from on their premises", notes a French officer. China of it is not, for example, able.

                  Sukhoi 30 came from the area of Delhi by their own means, supplied with flight by two Ilyouchine 78, with only one stage in Egypt. All mechanical logistics was transported on board other Ilyouchine. "Exactly as we had done when we went to India, in 2003, with our own planes", specifies a French aviator.

                  "We started to involve us with the foreign forces only in 2003. Since, we went to Alaska and in South Africa This exercise is our first deployment in Europe ", indicates the group captain Shreesh Mohan, which orders the Indian detachment. The French see another interest with these operations: sales of weapons. The Indian Air Force is especially equipped with Russian materials, even if it acquired around fifty of Mirage 2000 in the Eighties. A new contract, bearing on more than 120 Mirage 2000, is in the course of discussion. In addition, India plans to buy six submarines near France.

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                  • aditya
                    From the Flanker Temple
                    • Jan 2000
                    • 838

                    #29
                    > Wing Cmdr. KVR Raju

                    CO of 24 sqn?

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                    • Harry
                      The most F.U.B.A.R
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 2885

                      #30
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                      • flanker101
                        Junior Member
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 24

                        #31
                        wow, thanks harry.
                        R there any bigger sized pics available?

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                        • weird_wizzo
                          Junior Member
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 9

                          #32
                          wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

                          mind blowing pics Harry.............

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                            #33
                            just brilliant photos indeed! i like the shots of the air2air refuellers with the mirage and flanker jets. very well shot and very clear pics, im very impressed.

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                            • cinciboy
                              Fighter pilot wanabee
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 725

                              #34
                              SU-30's makes mirages looks like pigeons flying among the hawks..

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                              • Hyperwarp
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                                • Jan 2004
                                • 3694

                                #35
                                NO WORDS!!!!!!!
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                                • Indrac
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Jul 2003
                                  • 121

                                  #36
                                  Terrific stuff!The pics are from the official website of the Aarmee d'le'air anyway.

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                                  • Pixa
                                    Junior Member
                                    • Dec 2004
                                    • 29

                                    #37
                                    Awesome pics as usual Harry!!
                                    BTW, whats Sirpa (the copyright watermark on the pics)?

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                                    • glitter
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                                      • Aug 2003
                                      • 1975

                                      #38
                                      SIRPA = Service d'Information et de Relation Publique des Armes.

                                      That should be easy to understand if you speak english

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                                      • Jai
                                        Jai
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                                        • May 2004
                                        • 757

                                        #39


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                                        • Jai
                                          Jai
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                                          • May 2004
                                          • 757

                                          #40


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