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  • Multirole
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jan 2000
    • 903

    Originally posted by Deino View Post

    And so we agree, making any realistic chances of a true Sino-Russian cooperation quite slim!

    IMO it is limited to the AHLH (heavy-lift helicopter), eventually a new heavy-lift transport, a VSTOL fighter ...
    In aviation yes, in naval matters thats another thing entirely. China would like access to Russian submarine technology. It would happily build them any surface ship for Yasen subs.
    pb::

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    • totoro
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      • Apr 2006
      • 1026

      I wonder why is heavy helicopter project going so slowly, cooperation on a concrete project was announced a decade ago. and yet one can read that actual airframes in service aren't expected for another decade.

      it's not like it's a super high tech, advanced design. at least Russian side should have some experience and knowledge, at least to lean on the mi-46 research.

      only reason I can think of is that no side actually needs such a helicopter urgently. so the money invested is probably slim.

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      • haavarla
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Dec 2008
        • 6696

        Originally posted by TR1 View Post

        This makes no sense, as Russia has no issue making hulls and is in fact having engine shortages across the board right now.
        You are right on the Engine, as China are also struggling with its Engine.
        But i was talking about a future prospect, as Russia will at some point get those engines up n running.

        As for Hull, well Russia are adept at building smaller Frigate and Corvettes class Hull in modern designs layout, but they have not floated any new Destroyer Hull at the size of Type 55 Destroyer in Ages, and the likelyhood of this happen anytime soon is slim to none.
        So i stand firm at the Type 55 being a good buy for Russia. They could re-arrange their weapon compartments as they like with the Russian class weapons
        Last edited by haavarla; 17th August 2019, 09:38.
        Thanks

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        • XB-70
          Rank 4 Registered User
          • May 2018
          • 350

          Originally posted by totoro View Post
          I wonder why is heavy helicopter project going so slowly, cooperation on a concrete project was announced a decade ago. and yet one can read that actual airframes in service aren't expected for another decade.
          They haven't agreed on the final specs yet. The Russians would like to build a heavier helicopter, roughly similar to Mi-26. That would allow them to use the PD-12V turboshaft engines that they are making. The Chinese favor a smaller design with less lifting performance. The PD-12V is overkill in such a design and so that means using D-136 (Ukrainian) or a Western engine. Either of those approaches complicates things.

          The heavy lift helicopter is definitely an area for cooperation, but it ain't going to move as fast as CR929.

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          • JSR
            JSR
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Aug 2011
            • 4976

            Originally posted by totoro View Post
            I wonder why is heavy helicopter project going so slowly, cooperation on a concrete project was announced a decade ago. and yet one can read that actual airframes in service aren't expected for another decade.

            it's not like it's a super high tech, advanced design. at least Russian side should have some experience and knowledge, at least to lean on the mi-46 research.

            only reason I can think of is that no side actually needs such a helicopter urgently. so the money invested is probably slim.
            AHL is teaching China about making this kind of helicopter. it is not some 50-50 project. when ever Chinese learn to make it. its prototype will fly. but if they not learn. than it will not fly.

            https://www.defensenews.com/industry...-test-flights/
            Rostec is keeping pace with the times, Kladov said, and we are ready to offer the localization of technologies that our customers need ... and are ready to consider a wide range of conditions and cooperation options. Rostec has signed seven such agreements with Chinese state corporations, Kladov added. The AHL project is just one of them. One way to think of AHL is Mi-26 lite, a version deeply optimized for Chinese requirements: The takeoff weight will be 38.7 tons, with a payload capacity of 15 ton, a flight range of 800 kilometers and a max speed of 300 kph.One requirement that was especially important for the Chinese, Kladov said, is the ability to fly up tall mountains, like those found in Tibet. Russian Helicopters will continue to produce, sell and upgrade the Mi-26 to the Russian military and foreign customers.

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            • J-20
              Rank 4 Registered User
              • Jan 2018
              • 255

              Originally posted by JSR View Post

              AHL is teaching China about making this kind of helicopter. it is not some 50-50 project. when ever Chinese learn to make it. its prototype will fly. but if they not learn. than it will not fly.

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              what are some other things Russia could teach China?

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              • JSR
                JSR
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Aug 2011
                • 4976

                there are so many things. just look around.

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