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  • J-20
    Rank 4 Registered User
    • Jan 2018
    • 154

    Is Antonov still producing anything?

    last I heard the Saudis backed out of a deal and stole the secrets
    no deliveries of anything in a while? page don't work.
  • Dr.Snufflebug
    Boggleboople snufflebug
    • Aug 2012
    • 519

    #2
    Antonov production in Ukraine, which mainly occurred at their Kiev plant (formerly known as Aviant):

    (from Ukrainian wikipedia: Державне підприємство Антонов)

    Obviously, production has been slow-paced ever since the golden days, but they were still in business... Until 2015, where the above statistics simply end. Not a single aircraft has been built since, from what I can find (last confirmed delivery June 2015). They have been doing repairs and such, though, and about 10 aircraft from old, cancelled orders remain at the Kiev plant in various states of (in)completion. The somewhat smaller Kharkov plant ceased operations in 2014, with three unfinished An-72/74's remaining on the factory floor (Kharkov is included in the above graph, it's not only Kiev).

    https://www.epravda.com.ua/publicati.../08/21/639792/
    https://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/99707

    They had big hopes for the Saudi deal but it ultimately fell through as you mentioned, and the one main, by far most reliable customer they ever had, Russia now produces and services all the Antonovs it needs domestically. Production is mainly at VASO, where they've averaged about 5 An-148/158's a year since 2010 (annual reports), some (still?) An-140 production occurs in Samara, and of course the Aviastar-SP factory in Ulyanovsk services the heavy Antonov fleet (both RuAF and the Volga-Dnepr civilian freighter which is HQ-ed there too), and has two An-124's under construction.

    But even if they produce them too and in fact in larger numbers than Ukraine itself, Russia is in the process of weaning itself from Antonovs, pretty much only because of the hijinks in Kiev five years ago and all the ramifications of that (plus all kinds of sanctions and counter-sanctions and all that), and it really does seem like this is bound to spell the end of the Antonov legacy. No new (Ukrainian) planes for five years, deals that go nowhere, company liquidations, endless restructurings and stuff going on, CEO's resigning and so on and so forth.

    My bet is that the remainder of the mother company will be bought up by the Chinese or something for pocket change, and perhaps the "brand" will live on in some form after that, but it just wont be the same. Don't wanna go all political about it, but since Oleg Antonov was Russian and the whole thing started in Russia, if it can't live on in Ukraine the name should go back there. Hell, even the famous Ruslan and Mriya team was mainly Russian, headed by chief engineer Tolmachyov whom I wrote a little obituary to last year when he passed away in Ulyanovsk, where he worked for the aforementioned Volga-Dnepr.
    Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 5th June 2019, 22:19.
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    • halloweene
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jan 2012
      • 4322

      #3
      Well, as far as they are an invaded country at war....

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      • GromOzekA
        Rank 4 Registered User
        • May 2018
        • 36

        #4
        Here is some interesting actual information about Antonov, unfortunately in russian:

        https://naukatehnika.com/aviastroeni...vovnyanko.html

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        • Dr.Snufflebug
          Boggleboople snufflebug
          • Aug 2012
          • 519

          #5
          Originally posted by halloweene View Post
          Well, as far as they are an invaded country at war....
          Antonov had no facilities in the Crimea, nor in the war-torn areas of the "Donbass" (the Kharkov factory is directly north, but it was screwed up even before any fighting had taken place). But if anything, hostilities tend to be rather rewarding for companies in the defense sector, and indeed the Ukrainian armed forces have seen a surge in acquisitions... It's just been overpriced stuff from abroad (more on that aspect below), while their own producers haven't gotten many (if any) orders (except president Poroshenko's own shipyard in Nikolayev that is, which is part of an ongoing corruption scandal).

          Really, it's just the usual Ukrainian mismanagement of things, plus a general economic downturn. The graph above shows that the following chief dynamics are at play:
          1. The collapse of the USSR, which led to a huge downturn in all industrial spheres all over the former union, so no news there.

          2. Various economic crises, and the one 1998 was terrible all across the board for the CIS states (Russia was no better off there, and similarly dark figures can be seen in Russian industries that year and in the immediate aftermath). Same happened to Ukraine in 2014-2015, in the wake of the most recent revolution, not as severe overall but pretty bad regardless. Russia itself felt that too, but by proxy, in a different way (the sanctions and all of that).

          3. Whether they're under a "Russia-leaning" or "Western-leaning" government at the time. With Russia as one of the biggest trading partners overall, and the by far biggest international customer of these particular things (mainly a legacy from the Soviet era, as many key subcontractors in the defense industry were moved to Ukraine within the USSR for strategic reasons and happened to remain there in independent Ukraine post-collapse*), Russo-Ukrainian relations have been a very important factor for how Ukrainian heavy industry's been faring. Each time a "pro-Western" government is couped-in to counter actually democratically elected others (Orange revolution in 2004-2005, Maidan revolution in 2014...), the new guys in charge are dead set on severing relations (it's part of the deal they have with their backers), and this industry suffers as a result. The current Western-leaning government has additionally ditched domestic producers for "unknown" reasons, in favor of far pricier foreign alternatives... Even recent contracts for RPG-7-type launchers were awarded to companies in the West (!), and to make matters even worse these were deemed far inferior to the domestically produced ditto by the guys fielding them... There's tons of that stuff, but hey, it's business.


          * Motor Sich is a notable exception, it was proper Ukrainian from the beginning and not some kind of USSR-era strategic (or charity) relocation from Russia like Antonov etc.
          Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 5th June 2019, 20:15. Reason: typos
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          • LMFS
            Rank 4 Registered User
            • Feb 2018
            • 472

            #6
            Good info thanks

            Besides, Zelensky said few days go that he plans to equip the armed forces with Western weapons, so either Antonov gets "integrated" in some projects lead by the West or it is difficult to see future business for the company, even in the domestic market.

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            • JSR
              JSR
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Aug 2011
              • 4950

              #7
              last I heard the Saudis backed out of a deal and stole the secrets
              no deliveries of anything in a while? page don't work.

              I am sure they have discovered that Antonov is merely assembly of imported components. they are dumb enough to continue this project for so long. only reason any Industry exist in Ukraine is due to free electric from 15 nuclear power plants..
              you look at Motor Sich that I posted in another thread. they have like 10,000 people engaged in exporting engines worth $300m. both those figures will be going to down each year.

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