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  • nastle
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Feb 2005
    • 528

    Mig-23 production figures

    I was hoping someone here can help with production figures for Mig-23

    I have the following information do not know if correct

    Mig-23M/ MF ... 1000 examples , prod stopped 1978
    mig-23MS ................300 examples prod stopped 1978

    mig-23P ...................500 examples prod stopped 1981
    Mig-23ML/MLA .........1,100 examples prod from 1978-1983


    Can anyone verify this to be accurate and if so please give your source

    Thank you and much appreciated
  • paralay
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    • Aug 2005
    • 1377

    #2
    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4...zdadim-vmeste/

    "23-11" - 3
    MiG-23S - 59
    MiG-23 - 98
    MiG-23M - 1353
    MiG-23MS - 196 or 179
    MiG-23MF - 184 or 278

    MiG-23M+MiG-23MS+MiG-23MF=1810

    MiG-23P - 321
    MiG-23ML - 750
    MiG-23MLA - 1100
    MiG-23MLD - ?

    Znamya Truda Plant (Moscow) - 4,278 pieces
    Plant Irkutsk - 769 pieces
    Last edited by paralay; 15th April 2019, 19:15.

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    • nastle
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Feb 2005
      • 528

      #3
      Originally posted by paralay View Post
      http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4...zdadim-vmeste/

      "23-11" - 3
      MiG-23S - 59
      MiG-23 - 98
      MiG-23M - 1350
      MiG-23MS - 196
      MiG-23MF - 184
      MiG-23P - 321
      MiG-23ML - 750
      MiG-23MLA - 1100
      MiG-23MLD - ?

      Znamya Truda Plant (Moscow) - 4,278 pieces
      Plant Irkutsk - 769 pieces
      Thank you so much

      do you think mig-23M production was completed by 1980 ? and did the ML production start in 1978
      sorry I could not read the link due to unable to understand russian
      nevertheless i deeply appreciate your help
      Last edited by nastle; 8th April 2019, 18:19.

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      • paralay
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        • Aug 2005
        • 1377

        #4
        MiG-23M (ed. "23-11M"), produced from 1973 to 1976
        According to book Polish authors, was issued 750 MiG-23ML(23-12),of which-third went on exports.In turn,the plant Banner of Labor officially indicates that it produced 1100 aircraft modification MLA(23-12A) in 1977-1983 years, and separates them from ML.

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        • nastle
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Feb 2005
          • 528

          #5
          Originally posted by paralay View Post
          MiG-23M (ed. "23-11M"), produced from 1973 to 1976
          According to book Polish authors, was issued 750 MiG-23ML(23-12),of which-third went on exports.In turn,the plant Banner of Labor officially indicates that it produced 1100 aircraft modification MLA(23-12A) in 1977-1983 years, and separates them from ML.
          wonderful
          you helped me with the mig-29 thread as well i remember
          very grateful
          you are a great resource for this forum

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          • nastle
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Feb 2005
            • 528

            #6
            Originally posted by paralay View Post
            MiG-23M (ed. "23-11M"), produced from 1973 to 1976
            According to book Polish authors, was issued 750 MiG-23ML(23-12),of which-third went on exports.In turn,the plant Banner of Labor officially indicates that it produced 1100 aircraft modification MLA(23-12A) in 1977-1983 years, and separates them from ML.
            I have heard from 1975-1980 mig-23 was produced at a rate of 400 aircraft per yr is that accurate ?
            I have the book " Military balance of 1980-1981" which lists as 600 mig-23 with PVO and 1000 mig-23M with VVS , not sure how accurate these numbers are
            can you verify this ? thanks again

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            • paralay
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              • Aug 2005
              • 1377

              #7
              4778 MiG-23 : (1985 - 1969) = 227 pieces per year the average rate of production
              Production of the MiG-23UB in Irkutsk reached 100 pieces per year. Total released 1008 MiG-23UB

              623 MiG-23B/BN

              In Moscow in the period 1968 - 1984 4256 pieces were built
              MiG-23 and MiG-27 produced more than 6000 pieces
              Last edited by paralay; 15th April 2019, 19:34.

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              • nastle
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Feb 2005
                • 528

                #8
                Originally posted by paralay View Post
                The plant "Banner of Labor" in Moscow could produce at least 160 pieces per year
                and that is just one plant

                and they were produced in the 70s in the Irkutsk plant as well ?

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                • Levsha
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                  • Jan 2006
                  • 2802

                  #9
                  It would be interesting to compare MiG-23 production with that of the F-4 jet. I believe the US was pumping out hundreds of F-4s per year in the 1960s during the Vietnam war.
                  Last edited by Levsha; 15th April 2019, 20:07.

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                  • paralay
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 1377

                    #10
                    Irkutsk 1008 MiG-23UB and 764 MiG-27

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                    • nastle
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 528

                      #11
                      Paralay I think we in the west underestimated the threat of mig-23 in the early 80s , it seems like that almost 1800 of just the fighter version of mig-23M/ML/MLA were operational by 1985 ! Is that fair to say ?

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                      • Sens
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jan 2000
                        • 12291

                        #12
                        Related to the specific TVD in Soviet times just a given number of regiments can be operated in an limited battle space at the same time, whatever is at hand in the whole SU and its other TVDs. The following link shows it.
                        https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/D...%20%202014.pdf
                        Every MiG came with a price tag and is a burden for your economy and in the end the SU did crumble.
                        Last edited by Sens; 16th April 2019, 12:24.

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                        • paralay
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 1377

                          #13
                          One thousand nine hundred eighty two:
                          Frontline aviation: 25 Su-25, 400 Su-24, 500 MiG-27, 1200 MiG-23 various modifications, 150 MiG-25, 630 MiG-21, 100 Su-17, 150 Su-7, 190 Yak-28;
                          Air defense: 100 MiG-31, 250 MiG-25, 800 MiG-23, 900 Su-15, 100 Tu-128, 200 Yak-28, 50 Su-9/-11

                          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92...A1%D0%A1%D0%A0

                          Combat effectiveness of the MiG-23 in comparison with foreign fighters of the fourth generation

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                          • Sens
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                            • Jan 2000
                            • 12291

                            #14
                            The value of a weapon-system is never the sum of its specifics. Just a mental exercise.

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                            • nastle
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 528

                              #15
                              Originally posted by paralay View Post
                              One thousand nine hundred eighty two:
                              Frontline aviation: 25 Su-25, 400 Su-24, 500 MiG-27, 1200 MiG-23 various modifications, 150 MiG-25, 630 MiG-21, 100 Su-17, 150 Su-7, 190 Yak-28;
                              Air defense: 100 MiG-31, 250 MiG-25, 800 MiG-23, 900 Su-15, 100 Tu-128, 200 Yak-28, 50 Su-9/-11

                              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92...A1%D0%A1%D0%A0

                              The quote you gave is from Flight international 1982 sept , so by late 1982 it was estimated by Flight magazine that 800 mig-23 were with PVO and 1200 various versions of mig-23 with VVS

                              if we want to get an estimate of fighter version of Mig-23 is it safe to assume that 1300 in total between VVS and PVO of the mig-23s fighter versions in service( by late 1982) were M,MF, ML ,P versions ?

                              thanks for your patience
                              Last edited by nastle; 19th April 2019, 13:39.

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                              • paralay
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Aug 2005
                                • 1377

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Sens View Post
                                The value of a weapon-system is never the sum of its specifics. Just a mental exercise.
                                In this case, I can safely say that one MiG-23 will win all NATO aircraft

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                                • nastle
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 528

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by paralay View Post
                                  http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4...zdadim-vmeste/

                                  "23-11" - 3
                                  MiG-23S - 59
                                  MiG-23 - 98
                                  MiG-23M - 1353
                                  MiG-23MS - 196 or 179
                                  MiG-23MF - 184 or 278

                                  MiG-23M+MiG-23MS+MiG-23MF=1810

                                  MiG-23P - 321
                                  MiG-23ML - 750
                                  MiG-23MLA - 1100
                                  MiG-23MLD - ?

                                  Znamya Truda Plant (Moscow) - 4,278 pieces
                                  Plant Irkutsk - 769 pieces
                                  I'm sorry to bother you again but I have having trouble with these figures

                                  lets add them one final time, I have tried to summarize your previous posts

                                  1353 MiG-23M+ 179 MiG-23MS+ 278 MiG-23MF=1810

                                  321 Mig-23P +750 Mig-23ML + 1100 Mig-23MLA

                                  = 3,981 these are all fighter versions from Znamya Truda plant

                                  Production of the MiG-23UB in Irkutsk reached 100 pieces per year. Total released 1008 MiG-23UB

                                  623 MiG-23B/BN ( I'm assuming also at Irkutsk plant?)

                                  So total Mig-23 of all variants ( not including Mig-27 ) was = 5,612 from years 1969-1984

                                  Does this seem correct to you ?

                                  Last edited by nastle; 23rd April 2019, 10:19.

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                                  • paralay
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Aug 2005
                                    • 1377

                                    #18
                                    Production of the MiG-23B / BN established in Moscow, the plant "Banner of Labor" ("Знамя Труда")

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                                    • nastle
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Feb 2005
                                      • 528

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by paralay View Post
                                      Production of the MiG-23B / BN established in Moscow, the plant "Banner of Labor" ("Знамя Труда")
                                      thanks

                                      the rest of the numbers in post # 17 look ok to you

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                                      • paralay
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Aug 2005
                                        • 1377

                                        #20
                                        MiG-23B - 24 (1971)
                                        MiG-23BN Part of the aircraft is made of MiG-23M
                                        MiG-23BM (1973)
                                        MiG-23BK (1974)

                                        MiG-27 (1974)
                                        MiG-27K 200 (1975, mass production 1977 - 1982, Irkutsk)
                                        MiG-27M 150 (1976, mass production 1978 - 1983, Irkutsk)
                                        modernization MiG-27 in MiG-27M 500 (1982 - 1985, Ulan-Ude)

                                        MiG-27ML 200 (export option MiG-27M, 1982, Nasik, India, 1986 - 1994)

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