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  • BlackArcher
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    • Dec 2010
    • 4056

    IAF Tejas Mk1 dropping 2 1000 lb dumb bombs during Vayu Shakti 2019. Posting here since the mods decided to can the Tejas thread due to a couple of trolls.

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    • BlackArcher
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      • Dec 2010
      • 4056

      A few more images that were not posted earlier, from Vayu Shakti 2019

      Jaguar


      Su-30MKI


      Upgraded Mirage-2000I

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      • BlackArcher
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        • Dec 2010
        • 4056

        Originally posted by eagle View Post

        Interesting stuff, turning the Hawk into a viable light attack aircraft.

        Integrating a radar would not be so simple though. There is no space in the nose for a radar let alone provisions for cooling and power supply. Look at the Hawk 200 - the added avionics basically occupy the front seat area.
        Such a modification would not only be pretty expensive but also extensive, resulting in a different aircraft, and defeat the purpose of having combat-ready trainers for war-time emergencies.
        The Hawk was already being used with rocket pods and even dumb bombs. See the image below from Vayu Shakti 2019



        But, the ability to use stand-off PGMs will be a big capability jump and will allow the Hawk to be used without exposing it to the kind of danger that a CAS mission would. Or even when using dumb bombs right over the target and running the risk of exposing itself to supersonic fighters. Being a sub-sonic jet, it would be vulnerable, even when protected by escorts, so limiting its utility in highly contested environments.

        I agree with you that adding a new radar would not be simple, but it can be done. Question is whether there is enough value associated with doing that, versus the cost of the upgrade. A small Elta 2052 radar, similar to what is on the Jaguar DARIN III could possibly be integrated I guess, if such a requirement were to be put forth by the IAF. The Jaguar's nose was also modified to fit that AESA radar in place of the Elta 2032 on the Jaguar IM and to replace the LRMTS on the earlier Jaguar IS DARIN II. Hawk 200 was from an earlier generation when radars were heavier and bulkier.

        But I doubt that the IAF will see adequate value in that to ever bother. This is a secondary attack role, and resources would need to be allocated to the primary fighters and strikers first for combat capabilities.

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        • TomcatViP
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          • Nov 2011
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          regarding the Hawk, they would do better fitting an IRST in the nose tip in the way the Legion pod does. And then, instead of a Radar, add good datalinks (Aesa).

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          • RadDisconnect
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            • Jul 2013
            • 473

            Originally posted by BlackArcher View Post

            Nope, too big to be a MiG-21 center-line drop tank. More likely to be a F-16 drop tank as seen here on a PAF F-16. Also fin-less.

            The weld lines very clearly dont match.

            Can we please do the most basic checking before posting more pictures as evidence? This is the third time people use MiG-21 wreckage as F-16 its getting annoying. Youre also tanking your own credibility.
            Last edited by RadDisconnect; 13th March 2019, 02:30.

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            • djcross
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              • Jan 2000
              • 5381

              The F-16 pylon is integral to the wing tank and would be obvious in the picture due to its size.

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              • Grizzly01
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                • Sep 2005
                • 137

                It could be deformed centerline drop tank.

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                • Scooter
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                  • Jan 2000
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                  Originally posted by BlackArcher View Post

                  Yes it is. In the Mirage-2000 category basically.

                  I see the dreamers are alive and well. So, how many years is it going to take. To totally re-develop the LCA MKII (sorry MWF) and get it into production and then service????

                  F-35 Lightning II

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                  • Buran
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                    • Oct 2008
                    • 494

                    I think simple logic is failing some members in their analysis of the wreckage.

                    Just purely looking at the timelines (time stamp in pictures), and disregarding all technical aspects we see the following (look at the officer with some white hair on front)

                    At 10:41 he is standing next to what is undeniably Mig 21 wreckage

                    At 10:45 he is near the drop tank, which in the latest iteration of Indian claims is not a Mig21 fuel tank

                    At 10:47 he is standing near, what previously was claimed as F16 wreckage by Indians but were proven wrong by multiple experts.

                    Unless both the planes shot at each other and the collided and crashed together, this again is not a F16 fuel tank.
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                    • Yama
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                      • Feb 2012
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                      Even if it wasn't a MiG-21 drop tank, it would only prove that a non-Indian drop tank fell to the ground. That does not require that an aircraft accompanied it all the way down.

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                      • Austin
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                        • Oct 2003
                        • 6413

                        #RafaleScam: The CAGs History
                        How the game was fixed for the French fighter

                        https://www.stratpost.com/rafalescam-the-cags-history/
                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                        • BlackArcher
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                          • Dec 2010
                          • 4056

                          Found a decent image of the LCA Navy Mk2 design with the new stabilator control surfaces and the vortex flaps in place of the LEVCONs on the LCA Navy Mk1



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                          • BlackArcher
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                            • Dec 2010
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                            LCA Mk1 prototype with the new centerline mounted supersonic drop tank.

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                            • halloweene
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                              • Jan 2012
                              • 4105

                              Originally posted by Austin View Post
                              #RafaleScam: The CAGs History
                              How the game was fixed for the French fighter

                              https://www.stratpost.com/rafalescam-the-cags-history/
                              Frankly. He is a clown... (saurabh jaushi).

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                              • BlackArcher
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 4056

                                Regarding the IRST for the Tejas Mk2 MWF, there was a report that it may be a variant of the indigenous IRST being developed to replace the Russian OLS-30 IRST on a part of the IAF's Su-30MKI fleet. Looks like the DRDO labs will tie up with Samtel for the IRST.

                                News report from May 2018
                                The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, on Monday approved the procurement of equipment for the Defence Forces valued at over Rs. 6,900 crore including the development of the IRST for Su-30MKI. "The DAC also accorded approval for undertaking Design and Development of the Long Range Dual Band Infrared Imaging Search and Track System (IRST) for SU-30 MKI aircraft under ‘Make II’ sub category and subsequently, for procurement of at least 100 IRSTs under ‘Buy (Indian–IDDM) category. The system will be able to operate in day and night conditions and will substantially enhance the capabilities of the aircraft," the government press release said.


                                IRST on the Tejas Mk2 MWF


                                Samtel CEO interview- SP's Aviation
                                SP’s Aviation (SP’s): How would you describe the journey of Samtel from business of picture tubes for television market to the challenging defence electronics?

                                Puneet Kaura (Kaura): Samtel was set up in 1973 and is today the leading manufacturer of advanced displays in India. The journey from picture tubes to avionics started in 2001 with the takeover of Thales Germany by Samtel to form Samtel Electron Devices GmbH at Ulm, Germany. Later, in 2004, Samtel got its first order from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to develop multifunctional displays (MFDs)—the ones which are flying on Su-30MKIs today. That gave the impetus to Samtel to set up a defence avionics division—Samtel Display Systems in India. Today Samtel Display Systems has two strategic joint ventures (JVs) in defence avionics; one with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and another with Thales Avionics. There are also strategic tie-ups with global aviation majors such as SAAB and Honeywell.


                                SP’s: Can you elaborate on the USPs of Samtel?

                                Kaura: Samtel has always been a technology focused company and we have achieved the singular status of being the only company in India which indigenously offers the complete package of LCD ruggedisation, electronic hardware designing, development of embedded systems along with associated software, mechanical packaging and thermal management under one roof. Our JV with HAL was India’s first public-private partnership in avionics domain in India, and has now achieved the unique position of having a primary cockpit display qualified for induction on Su-30MKI. We are now working towards building a centre of excellence for state-of-the-art cockpit displays which would help the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to become self-reliant in this domain.


                                SP’s: Are your offerings compatible with Russian platforms?

                                Kaura: The MFDs designed and produced by us have been qualified for induction on Su-30MKI aircraft. The next generation large size smart multifunction display is also ready, and has given us the unique distinction of being the only company in India to have an avionics display at par with the global suppliers in this domain. Discussions are on with some key customers on upcoming Russian platforms for LRUs, infrared search and track (IRST), and other avionics systems as well.

                                SP’s: Can you tell us about the Mirage fleet upgrade deal and particularly in view of the JV that seems to be in place between Thales and Samtel?

                                Kaura: The Indian Government has signed the deal worth $2.4 billion ( Rs. 10,800 crore) with Thales and Dassault Aviation for upgradation of its ageing Mirage fleet. As 30 per cent of the worth of the deal needs to be invested back into the Indian defence sector as offsets, a large part of the offsets should be expected to be fulfilled through us. As per the JV’s mandate, Samtel Thales Avionics will provide the basis for all future aerospace development for Thales in India.

                                SP’s: What challenges do you foresee in your journey?

                                Kaura: Challenges never end; they just get replaced by newer challenges. Ten years back when we took over Thales Germany and set our first footsteps in avionics, it was a new area for us. Conventionally, the cockpit displays were either imported or were assembled in India by suppliers using foreign-made components. There was a huge void and need for these products to be developed and produced in India indigenously. However, since the technology was never developed in India earlier, there was initial scepticism from the industry, which we believe, we have just not been able to overcome, but also surpass.

                                We now see ourselves moving ahead of cockpit displays and proving our capabilities in avionics. Our JV with Thales already encompasses manufacturing of HMDSs, which are a complete system in themselves; sensors such as IRST, which will be a first-time-in-India product and other modern avionics systems.
                                Besides that, we are also setting up capabilities in obsolescence management, automated test equipment and built-to-print solutions. Going forward, our original strength—cockpit displays will be just one segment of our complete suite of offerings. From picture tubes to cockpit displays, and from here to a complete avionics house, is what I see Samtel emerging as.

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                                • BlackArcher
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Dec 2010
                                  • 4056

                                  The 16th Series Produced Tejas Mk1 fighter (SP-16 with registration number LA-5016) had its first flight a few days ago. The No.45 ;Flying Daggers' Squadron will get its full complement of single seat fighters by the end of March 2019.

                                  The second squadron No.18 'Flying Bullets' will be stood up and begin receiving its first FOC Tejas Mk1 fighter from October 2019. What wasn't yet fully clear is where the new squadron will be based. It previously flew MiG-27MLs from Kalaikunda AFS in West Bengal.

                                  But it now appears that No.18 'Flying Bullets' squadron will be reformed at Sulur AFS, where the current No.45 squadron is based. And No.45 'Flying Daggers' will be moved up north, closer to the Pakistan border.


                                  he 16th series produced Tejas (LA-5016) completed couple of her production sorties by last evening. Flying Daggers will be in full strength before end of this financial year. With FOC in kitty, the final set of aircrafts with FOC standard will start coming into production line. As per HAL Chairman, HAL will put all effort to deliver all the 16 aircrafts by March 2020. Appears to be a tall order. But keeping in view of the maturity level achieved in both the production lines, Let us hope this target is achieved without any big hurdle.


                                  LCA Tejas squadron to be moved from South to air base near Pakistan border in 2020

                                  After coming under criticism for fielding Mig-21 Bisons against advanced Pakistani F-16s, Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa was questioned why Indias LCA-Tejas fighter jet was not used against Pakistan?

                                  Dhanoa clarified that once the foundation for second LCA-Tejas Squadron is done, first Squadron will be shifted to forward base close to Pakistan border likely in 2020. First Squadron Flying Daggers No. 45 is currently carrying out Initial user operational flying of LCA-Tejas aircraft delivered to them and in the process is also training its engineering crew to carry out routine maintenance with help of HAL.

                                  No. 45 Squadron Indian Air Force (Flying Daggers) which is based at Sulur Air force station in Tamil Nadu is yet to gain full squadron strength which likely will happen by end of this year, the formation of the second squadron will start, once the fresh batch of FOC Certified LCA-Tejas MK1 aircrafts start arriving from October onwards .

                                  Dhanoa last month at FOC certification handover ceremony of LCA-Tejas had said that LCA-Tejas behaves like a fighter aircraft and also act like one and air force has total confidence in the capabilities of the aircraft as recently demonstrated at the Iron fist Air exercise and now are flown regularly by the first Squadron in regular operating conditions.

                                  Once again, "likely will happen by end of this year" refers to March 2019. That is the financial year end.
                                  Last edited by BlackArcher; 14th March 2019, 18:55.

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                                  • Austin
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 6413

                                    Originally posted by BlackArcher View Post
                                    Found a decent image of the LCA Navy Mk2 design with the new stabilator control surfaces and the vortex flaps in place of the LEVCONs on the LCA Navy Mk1



                                    Looks like it has cft type expansion over wings for additional fuel.

                                    The LEVCON and Vortex Flaps looks the same though.

                                    Would like to see this in Metal , This appears a more definative design for Naval fighter.
                                    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                    • Buran
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Oct 2008
                                      • 494

                                      IAF gambling with its credibility again! Given the message is for the local audience, they can get away with anything.

                                      http://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/co...511-2019-03-15

                                      'However, after a close analysis of the photograph and by stripping down old MiG engines in the Pathankot base, the IAF submitted evidence to the government that the wreckage was not that of a MiG-21 but more likely of an F-16'

                                      Given that multiple experts have debunked their F-16 wreckage theory and that the part is NOT from any engine, I wonder why IAF felt the need to strip down an engine. It has been clearly proven that this part was from a Mig-21.

                                      Bizarre to say the least.

                                      http://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-...-mig-21-wreck/

                                      It really is post-truth age.

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                                      • BlackArcher
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Dec 2010
                                        • 4056

                                        Originally posted by Buran View Post

                                        It really is post-truth age.
                                        Pot calling the kettle black.

                                        Considering the fact that the Prime Minister of Pakistan as well as the Director General ISPR of Pakistan, both went on TV press conferences and announced that they had a second pilot, who was admitted to hospital.. heck they even mentioned the hospital name, Command Medical Hospital..and that pilot vanished into thin air after discovering his true identity. Almost unbelievable incompetence. And it revealed that a soldier's sacrifice would be hidden for a lie to stand.

                                        Plus,

                                        The whole "No F-16s participated in the strike" claim of Pakistan's DG ISPR which was also disproved with the AMRAAM evidence.

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                                        • Buran
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Oct 2008
                                          • 494

                                          Originally posted by BlackArcher View Post

                                          Pot calling the kettle black.

                                          Considering the fact that the Prime Minister of Pakistan as well as the Director General ISPR of Pakistan, both went on TV press conferences and announced that they had a second pilot, who was admitted to hospital.. heck they even mentioned the hospital name, Command Medical Hospital..and that pilot vanished into thin air after discovering his true identity. Almost unbelievable incompetence. And it revealed that a soldier's sacrifice would be hidden for a lie to stand.

                                          Plus,

                                          The whole "No F-16s participated in the strike" claim of Pakistan's DG ISPR which was also disproved with the AMRAAM evidence.


                                          My friend you should look up the difference between conjecture and credible proof. Everything you have stated above do not equate to an F-16 being shot down.

                                          Or maybe you are right, until they cut open the pilot and discovered a Pakistani flag planted in his abdomen, they had no clue that he was a Pakistani pilot!

                                          What's even more laughable is that Indian defence minister saying that they know the identity of the PAF pilot who was killed, but choose not to give out his name. Come on! Perhaps they know whatever they reveal will be shot down again, like the claim over the wreckage and the first pilot, who turned out to be someone else and alive.

                                          Desperately clinging on to the initial statement by the military spokesperson, without being able to provide an iota of proof is not the way to prove your point. It has been universally debunked.

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