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I'm curious does anyone know whether or not the R-37M (AA-13) is actually operational? Secondly, how many can the MiG-31BM carry? Is it limited to four (as with the R-33 family) or are six an option as with the previous MiG-31M?

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That thing we need to wait. The current BM tho already have the wires and clearance required for the weapon.

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Actually not, they have clearance for carrying but the serial production of it have still to begin.
Basic version of R-37 was intended for MiG-31M and advanced Flankers in Air Defence role,
First one was not put in production and for Flankers they were not considered essential.
BM would carry just 4 of both S-33S than S-37,, so they kept the former until the more advanced version of the latter will be available.

In any case they still count on MiG-31 as a new contract have just been signed to deeply modernize all remaining ones in depot, not just B but even previous DMZ (to Mig-31K) and A nd AM versions (to a BsM equivalent).

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Sorry fellas I just don't quite understand everything that's been said.

Simply put, the R-37M is not in service yet and when it does enter service the limit with be four for the MiG-31BM, all under the fuselage.

Correct?

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I assume nobody on the forum knows (or cares?)...

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Yes 4 to make it 6 like MiG-31M many alterations have to be done including removing the gun. and please dont rush. This is a forum board not a real time msn chat.

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The number of MiG-31 in service are: (thanks to AMCXXL)
VKS
Akhtubinsk: 2 BM + 10K
Savasleyka: 12 BM (after losing 1 BM)
Ts.Uglovaya: 24 BM
Kansk: 24 BM (after losing 3)
Perm: 24 BM
Khotilovo: 24 BM known
Total: 110 BM and 10 K
NAVY
Monchegorsk: 10 BM (after relocate several BM to other bases)
Yelizovo: 10 not Modernized, to replace soon (half DZ)

Total:140

Other planes would however be added:

http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=499161:

https://iz.ru/838095/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko/polchasa-do-poliusa-skorostnye-istrebiteli-vziali-arktiku-pod-kontrol

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In fact the Stealthflanker has been correct in all aspects in my opinion, just point out some details: all versions of MiG 31 (Dz / B / BS / BM / BSM) that had been come into operation with 04 semi-conformal compartments on the belly from MiG-31, all those compartments has been equipped with a hydraulic bracket called AKU- 410, which removes the R-33 SARH ( semi-Active Radar Homing) missiles from these compartments in order to release it for ignition of the propellant of these missiles.

The R-37M ARH(Active Radar Homing) missiles should have been compatible with the MiG-31 compartment as well as the AKU-410 system. Therefore, 04 R-37M could have been used by MiG-31 (Dz/B/ BS/BM/BSM).

While the MiG-31M prototypes were equipped with the AKU-610 system and 06 compartments on the belly, in which case the MiG-31M would have been capable of using up to 06 R-37M missiles.

In this way it would not be reasonable to perform such drastic modification in the internal configuration of the MiG-31BM / BSM in order to introduce two new compartments and the AKU-410 or AKU-610 device to increase the amount of R-37M missiles to 06 units.

However, there could be another possibility for the MiG-31BM / BSM, until 2009/2010 the MiG-31 had been used two heavy R-40 (AA-6) missiles on the internal wings supports, so an alternative could be use the R-37M in this position too.

Actually, there are none mention or even picture from R-33 missiles has been carried by the MiG-31s on these wing supports, but with the dissemination of MiG-31BM images has been using R-77-1 (RVV-SD) missiles, as well as in the past the MiG-31M with the R-77 (RVV-AE), this would be at least one possibility, since the R-77 missiles use the method of releasing and subsequent ignition of the propellant, in the same way as the R-33 and R-37M.

AFAIK there are not details revealed from R-77-1 with the MiG-31 , so it is not possible to say that the R-77-1 could have been fired with the MiG-31 above Mach 2 like the: R-33 , R-37, R-40 and Kh-58U(anti-radiation). Both R-40, Kh-58U (ASM), R-60 and R-74 are fired while on rails.

Today there are not evidence that RVV-BD (R-37M) has been in production or operation, but tomorrow this may change as the SAM BUK M3 with ARH (active radar homing) missiles are already in operation with the Russian Army . In the early 2000s such version of the SAM BUK M1/2 with ARH missiles had been offered with the radar seeker derivative from R-37M

Perhaps the most important point should be that the R-37M missiles could have been put into operation with the Su-35S and Su-30SM today, in addition with the MiG-31BM/BSM.

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AFAIK there are not details revealed from R-77-1 with the MiG-31 , so it is not possible to say that the R-77-1 could have been fired with the MiG-31 above Mach 2 like the

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Oh nice one there. Now we just need to wait for an image.

Same case as R-77-1

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Paralay,

Is it M2 capable with all those ordnance ?

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The MiG-31 is capable of developing a speed of 3000 km / h with four R-33 missiles, this is precisely known. I think that R-73 or R-77 under the wing will not prevent him from doing the same

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The MiG-31 is capable of developing a speed of 3000 km / h with four R-33 missiles, this is precisely known. I think that R-73 or R-77 under the wing will not prevent him from doing the same

I thought the MiG-31 was limited to mach 2.35?

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In that case, why does he need a steel structure?
The maximum speed of 3000 km / h, M = 2.83
Cruising speed is 2500 km / h, M = 2.35 (up to 15 minutes)

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In that case, why does he need a steel structure?
The maximum speed of 3000 km / h, M = 2.83
Cruising speed is 2500 km / h, M = 2.35 (up to 15 minutes)

MiG-31 has less steel than MiG-25 - a lot more aluminium http://www.airbase.ru/sb/russia/miko...31/index-t.htm

I know the MiG-31 can reach mach 2.83 if it really had - but it is limited to mach 2.35 like a lot of other aircraft.

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R73 imposed speed restrictions are far below Mach 2.

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The maximum target speed is 2500 km / h, which means that the speed of the P-73 is above this value.

Restrictions on the launch conditions of guided missiles (Su-27, points 5,6,7,8)
H = 15000 - 18000 m на V= 650 km/h (до M = 2,35) H < 15000 m на V= 300 - 1100 km/h (до M = 2,2)

http://aviakos.ucoz.ru/dok/pdf/bp_avia/su-27.pdf