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  • PhantomII
    Phantoms Phorever
    • Jan 2000
    • 8292

    MiG-31 Thread

    I'm curious does anyone know whether or not the R-37M (AA-13) is actually operational? Secondly, how many can the MiG-31BM carry? Is it limited to four (as with the R-33 family) or are six an option as with the previous MiG-31M?
    Fox-4!
  • stealthflanker
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Sep 2015
    • 1008

    #2
    That thing we need to wait. The current BM tho already have the wires and clearance required for the weapon.

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    • Marcellogo
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jun 2014
      • 1829

      #3
      Actually not, they have clearance for carrying but the serial production of it have still to begin.
      Basic version of R-37 was intended for MiG-31M and advanced Flankers in Air Defence role,
      First one was not put in production and for Flankers they were not considered essential.
      BM would carry just 4 of both S-33S than S-37,, so they kept the former until the more advanced version of the latter will be available.

      In any case they still count on MiG-31 as a new contract have just been signed to deeply modernize all remaining ones in depot, not just B but even previous DMZ (to Mig-31K) and A nd AM versions (to a BsM equivalent).

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      • PhantomII
        Phantoms Phorever
        • Jan 2000
        • 8292

        #4
        Sorry fellas I just don't quite understand everything that's been said.

        Simply put, the R-37M is not in service yet and when it does enter service the limit with be four for the MiG-31BM, all under the fuselage.

        Correct?
        Fox-4!

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        • PhantomII
          Phantoms Phorever
          • Jan 2000
          • 8292

          #5
          I assume nobody on the forum knows (or cares?)...
          Fox-4!

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          • stealthflanker
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Sep 2015
            • 1008

            #6
            Yes 4 to make it 6 like MiG-31M many alterations have to be done including removing the gun. and please dont rush. This is a forum board not a real time msn chat.

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            • PhantomII
              Phantoms Phorever
              • Jan 2000
              • 8292

              #7
              Four it is! Thanks!
              Fox-4!

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              • Marcellogo
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jun 2014
                • 1829

                #8
                The number of MiG-31 in service are: (thanks to AMCXXL)
                VKS
                Akhtubinsk: 2 BM + 10K
                Savasleyka: 12 BM (after losing 1 BM)
                Ts.Uglovaya: 24 BM
                Kansk: 24 BM (after losing 3)
                Perm: 24 BM
                Khotilovo: 24 BM known
                Total: 110 BM and 10 K
                NAVY
                Monchegorsk: 10 BM (after relocate several BM to other bases)
                Yelizovo: 10 not Modernized, to replace soon (half DZ)

                Total:140

                Other planes would however be added:

                http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=499161:


                https://iz.ru/838095/aleksei-ramm-al...ku-pod-kontrol

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                • maurobaggio
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 521

                  #9
                  In fact the Stealthflanker has been correct in all aspects in my opinion, just point out some details: all versions of MiG 31 (Dz / B / BS / BM / BSM) that had been come into operation with 04 semi-conformal compartments on the belly from MiG-31, all those compartments has been equipped with a hydraulic bracket called AKU- 410, which removes the R-33 SARH ( semi-Active Radar Homing) missiles from these compartments in order to release it for ignition of the propellant of these missiles.

                  The R-37M ARH(Active Radar Homing) missiles should have been compatible with the MiG-31 compartment as well as the AKU-410 system. Therefore, 04 R-37M could have been used by MiG-31 (Dz/B/ BS/BM/BSM).

                  While the MiG-31M prototypes were equipped with the AKU-610 system and 06 compartments on the belly, in which case the MiG-31M would have been capable of using up to 06 R-37M missiles.

                  In this way it would not be reasonable to perform such drastic modification in the internal configuration of the MiG-31BM / BSM in order to introduce two new compartments and the AKU-410 or AKU-610 device to increase the amount of R-37M missiles to 06 units.

                  However, there could be another possibility for the MiG-31BM / BSM, until 2009/2010 the MiG-31 had been used two heavy R-40 (AA-6) missiles on the internal wings supports, so an alternative could be use the R-37M in this position too.

                  Actually, there are none mention or even picture from R-33 missiles has been carried by the MiG-31s on these wing supports, but with the dissemination of MiG-31BM images has been using R-77-1 (RVV-SD) missiles, as well as in the past the MiG-31M with the R-77 (RVV-AE), this would be at least one possibility, since the R-77 missiles use the method of releasing and subsequent ignition of the propellant, in the same way as the R-33 and R-37M.

                  AFAIK there are not details revealed from R-77-1 with the MiG-31 , so it is not possible to say that the R-77-1 could have been fired with the MiG-31 above Mach 2 like the: R-33 , R-37, R-40 and Kh-58U(anti-radiation). Both R-40, Kh-58U (ASM), R-60 and R-74 are fired while on rails.

                  Today there are not evidence that RVV-BD (R-37M) has been in production or operation, but tomorrow this may change as the SAM BUK M3 with ARH (active radar homing) missiles are already in operation with the Russian Army . In the early 2000s such version of the SAM BUK M1/2 with ARH missiles had been offered with the radar seeker derivative from R-37M

                  Perhaps the most important point should be that the R-37M missiles could have been put into operation with the Su-35S and Su-30SM today, in addition with the MiG-31BM/BSM.

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                  • paralay
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 1400

                    #10
                    AFAIK there are not details revealed from R-77-1 with the MiG-31 , so it is not possible to say that the R-77-1 could have been fired with the MiG-31 above Mach 2 like the
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                    • GromOzekA
                      Rank 4 Registered User
                      • May 2018
                      • 39

                      #11
                      R-37M missiles are clearly exists, because KTRV was paid to test it in late 2018. It was periodical tests. Such kind of tests generally happen to items that was produced some time ago and was in storage for a few years.


                      Source in Russian: http://zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/quic...1%8F+610%D0%BC

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                      • stealthflanker
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Sep 2015
                        • 1008

                        #12
                        Oh nice one there. Now we just need to wait for an image.

                        Same case as R-77-1

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                        • topspeed
                          Get on uppah !
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 2656

                          #13
                          Originally posted by paralay View Post
                          No problem

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                          Paralay,

                          Is it M2 capable with all those ordnance ?
                          If it looks good, it will fly good !
                          -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


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                          • paralay
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 1400

                            #14
                            The MiG-31 is capable of developing a speed of 3000 km / h with four R-33 missiles, this is precisely known. I think that R-73 or R-77 under the wing will not prevent him from doing the same

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                            • topspeed
                              Get on uppah !
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 2656

                              #15
                              Ok !

                              It is a big ship; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31
                              If it looks good, it will fly good !
                              -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


                              http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

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                              • Levsha
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jan 2006
                                • 2835

                                #16
                                Originally posted by paralay View Post
                                The MiG-31 is capable of developing a speed of 3000 km / h with four R-33 missiles, this is precisely known. I think that R-73 or R-77 under the wing will not prevent him from doing the same
                                I thought the MiG-31 was limited to mach 2.35?

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                                • paralay
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Aug 2005
                                  • 1400

                                  #17
                                  In that case, why does he need a steel structure?
                                  The maximum speed of 3000 km / h, M = 2.83
                                  Cruising speed is 2500 km / h, M = 2.35 (up to 15 minutes)

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                                  • Levsha
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jan 2006
                                    • 2835

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by paralay View Post
                                    In that case, why does he need a steel structure?
                                    The maximum speed of 3000 km / h, M = 2.83
                                    Cruising speed is 2500 km / h, M = 2.35 (up to 15 minutes)
                                    MiG-31 has less steel than MiG-25 - a lot more aluminium http://www.airbase.ru/sb/russia/miko...31/index-t.htm

                                    I know the MiG-31 can reach mach 2.83 if it really had - but it is limited to mach 2.35 like a lot of other aircraft.

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                                    • LMFS
                                      Rank 4 Registered User
                                      • Feb 2018
                                      • 488

                                      #19
                                      No, the plane could probably reach more than 2.83 M if it REALLY had to (as MiG-25 could). But it is officially cleared for reaching that speed:

                                      http://migavia.ru/index.php/en/produ...imit=1&start=2

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                                      • MadRat
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Aug 2006
                                        • 5033

                                        #20
                                        R73 imposed speed restrictions are far below Mach 2.
                                        Go Huskers!

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