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  • SpudmanWP
    started a topic 2019 F-35 News and Discussion

    2019 F-35 News and Discussion

    Welcome to 2019 and Happy New Year to ALL.

    For all of you who live in the Great State of Texas, you may soon show some of your pride by getting an F-35 License Plate.

    BY ANNA M. TINSLEY
    JANUARY 01, 2019 12:00 AM

    State Sen. Jane Nelson wants Texans to be able to keep that F-35 pride with them no matter where they go.
    Nelson, R-Flower Mound, has filed a bill requiring the state to create a license plate featuring the F-35 fighter jet which is built at Lockheed Martins plant in west Fort Worth along with the local motto: The Sound of Freedom.

    Texans would be able to buy this specialty license plate as they already may buy plates honoring everything from the military and colleges to Dr Pepper and sports teams such as the Dallas Cowboys if Senate Bill 240 is approved by the Texas Legislature in 2019.

    The F-35 is a significant point of pride for Senate District 12 where it is manufactured, said Nelson, R-Flower Mound, and the dean of the Tarrant delegation. It is crucial in our country's pursuit to promote and defend freedom around the globe and this legislation affirms Texas position as a hub for the aerospace industry.

    State lawmakers head back to work on Jan. 8 and will wrap up on May 27.

    If Nelsons proposal is approved, the license plates would be available some time after Sept. 1, 2019.
    https://www.star-telegram.com/news/l...223209865.html
    Last edited by SpudmanWP; 1st January 2019, 08:52.

  • halloweene
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    Please spare Rafale data for Rafale topic. 95+% availability was performed during lybian wars, of course this type of performance has consequences within a constraint budget on other planes. Geez what a discover?. Now (last time i compare here), one can compare the 48% availabilty (in US terms full availability i think) to the flat encephalogram look of the same data on F-35 fleet. (which is somehow normal at this stage of the program). But no chest bumping on F-35B availability considering the intensity of given missions please. Rafale were flying between 30 to 40 hours/week during Haramttan...
    Problem is these taes are BS. when you go into comparison (appels to oranges). The real metrics is "doese it fulfill its operational contract"? How many missions cancelled? etc. Nvm. Cu on Rafale Thread.

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  • Scooter
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    Originally posted by ActionJackson View Post
    I think given you've been touting 90% rates for years and how the f-35 availability is so lacking by comparison, this thread is absolutely appropriate.

    After all, we would want to clear up your misinformation (lies) in a thread that people who are interested in modern aircraft actually read.
    QUOTE:

    NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev. (AFNS) -- After more than two weeks launching F-35A Lightning II sorties at Red Flag 19-1, maintainers with the 388th Fighter Wing are impressed with the jet and the young airmen who help maintain it.

    The 4th Fighter Squadron and 4th Aircraft Maintenance Unit brought 12 jets and more than 200 Airmen from Hill Air Force Base, Utah, to Red Flag for the three week exercise. Red Flag is the Air Forces premier combat exercise and pits a friendly blue force against an enemy red force in challenging combat scenarios.

    This is about as close as youre going to get to a deployed environment. Weve been able to sustain a very aggressive schedule and keep the mission-capable rate high, said Master Sgt. Paul DeGrechie, 4th AMU production superintendent. The F-35 was designed to be maintenance friendly, and thats been the case here.

    Working around the clock, the Airmen have launched more than a dozen sorties a day, and so far, have maintained a higher than 90 percent mission capable rate. They have been able to fine-tune their operations and build off of lessons-learned to be more proactive with pre-maintenance, said Capt. Dayna Grant, 4th AMU officer in charge.

    Weve been able to use this to gain a lot of experience for our young Airmen across the board, Grant said. This is preparing them for the kind of ops tempo and working environment wed experience if we were called upon to deploy.


    https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Disp...a-maintainers/

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  • edi_right_round
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    Halloweene,i beg your pardon.
    However you might flip it,its 48% of the fleet out.As for availability of 98% in Africa or operative places,im so happy and its the right thing to do.It doesnt change the numbers.
    As for the F-2000 and every other fighter bomber,transport and attack helicopters or other armed forces element ,you can only dream those rates of availability.
    A choise was made to have the F-35,and soon they going to be part of the Tempest.We are going to have the most powerful Nato southern flank fleet,all stealthy piu the F2000 all capable plane.Instead till you get the future 6 generation and us the Tempest we would have 20 years with F35 in some block 20 reiteration

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  • ActionJackson
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    I think given you've been touting 90% rates for years and how the f-35 availability is so lacking by comparison, this thread is absolutely appropriate.

    After all, we would want to clear up your misinformation (lies) in a thread that people who are interested in modern aircraft actually read.

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  • halloweene
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    Definitions from AdA : availabilability : full capabilty at instant t (able to perform any mission
    Partial availability some minorations of mission spectrum
    Technical availability :
    unavailable : repairs, maintenance, overhaul, upgrade (the M 1-12 Rafale were included in your table), storage (so as to adjust the number of flight hours between planes within a squadron)
    Wihin this pool one can find the technical availability : able to perform missions after a few hour of mantenance/ conditioning.

    Spucman, you already know that, you were many times spanked on the subject by OPIT.
    Edi, your french bashing is getting really ryting.No my bad of your F-2000 are just excellent for making rounds in the air above the sea... but AGAIN this is wrong thread. Switch to RAfale one if you want to talk about RAfale.
    Last edited by halloweene; 24th March 2019, 13:37.

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  • edi_right_round
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    Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
    Overall, the Fr fighter aircraft reached 44% availability in 2018. The Rafale having a slightly lower rate than the M2K. This was discussed already in the Rafale Thread where should lies a bunch or related documents.

    Click image for larger version Name:	AdlA_DiposnibilyRates.jpg Views:	0 Size:	108.1 KB ID:	3856932

    To the above values; one should add the low availability of essential items like targeting pods that are also quite depressing (the document linked below mentions the 50% readiness rate for the Thalios pod from Thales).

    For those that don't know their probability laws the Math say that the combined 50% availability of two systems would lead to something available 1/4th of the time. Yes, you understand right: for a single laser strike mission of 2 aircraft required to hit simultaneously two different targets (how original is this?!), you'll have to ready 8 aircraft fitted with their pods...

    Source:
    French parliament
    It cant be true,french is the best,planes,helicopteurs,Famas,formage etc

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  • SpudmanWP
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    Per the 2020 Budget, Spear3 & AARGM-ER are going to be UAI weapons and the integration contract for Meteor & Spear just got awarded so Spear3 & AARGM-ER are the likely candidates.
    Last edited by SpudmanWP; 23rd March 2019, 22:16.

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
    Overall, the Fr fighter aircraft reached 44% availability in 2018. The Rafale having a slightly lower rate than the M2K. This was discussed already in the Rafale Thread where should lies a bunch or related documents.

    Click image for larger version Name:	AdlA_DiposnibilyRates.jpg Views:	0 Size:	108.1 KB ID:	3856932

    To the above values; one should add the low availability of essential items like targeting pods that are also quite depressing (the document linked below mentions the 50% readiness rate for the Thalios pod from Thales).

    For those that don't know their probability laws the Math say that the combined 50% availability of two systems would lead to something available 1/4th of the time. Yes, you understand right: for a single laser strike mission of 2 aircraft required to hit simultaneously two different targets (how original is this?!), you'll have to ready 8 aircraft fitted with their pods...

    Source:
    French parliament
    unproper topic

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  • bring_it_on
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    Originally posted by SpudmanWP View Post
    Thoughts on the two unnamed "new" weapons?

    I am thinking larger Paveways, Brimstone/JCM, JASSM, etc....

    Interesting development as far as block 4 and beyond weapons integration is concerned. JASSM / F-35 integration progress is particularly relevant to a couple of potential FMS customers and competitions and other operators who already have the weapon in inventory.

    So SiAW and JASSM/LRASM..Eventually JAGM as well..


    Last edited by bring_it_on; 23rd March 2019, 21:52.

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  • TomcatViP
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    Overall, the Fr fighter aircraft reached 44% availability in 2018. The Rafale having a slightly lower rate than the M2K. This was discussed already in the Rafale Thread where should lies a bunch or related documents.

    Click image for larger version  Name:	AdlA_DiposnibilyRates.jpg Views:	0 Size:	108.1 KB ID:	3856932

    To the above values; one should add the low availability of essential items like targeting pods that are also quite depressing (the document linked below mentions the 50% readiness rate for the Thalios pod from Thales).

    For those that don't know their probability laws the Math say that the combined 50% availability of two systems would lead to something available 1/4th of the time. Yes, you understand right: for a single laser strike mission of 2 aircraft required to hit simultaneously two different targets (how original is this?!), you'll have to ready 8 aircraft fitted with their pods...

    Source:
    French parliament
    Last edited by TomcatViP; 23rd March 2019, 18:13.

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  • bring_it_on
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post

    Readiness or operational readiness? Different metrics in France. If you want an operational case context, see Libya instead. (e.g.). It's been discused ad nauseam but should better be placed in Rafale thread no?
    Provide the exact definition with an official French MOD/AF source (not your own definition or your understanding). I am sure members here can provide the same for how these same metrics are defined using official USDOD or DOD authorized sources.

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  • St. John
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post

    Readiness or operational readiness? Different metrics in France. If you want an operational case context, see Libya instead. (e.g.). It's been discused ad nauseam but should better be placed in Rafale thread no?
    What else would 'readiness' apply to for a fighter aircraft?

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by FBW View Post
    In case context is needed, the last report for Rafale B&C readiness rate was 48.5% in 2015 with spiraling operational costs increasing by 30%.

    In perspective, Rafale C achieved IOC in 2006, the F-35A in 2016.
    Readiness or operational readiness? Different metrics in France. If you want an operational case context, see Libya instead. (e.g.). It's been discused ad nauseam but should better be placed in Rafale thread no?

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  • Bayar
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    Joint Chiefs chair warns of tough decision ahead with F-35 delivery to Turkey

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...very-to-turkey

    BY ELLEN MITCHELL - 03/21/19 01:10 PM EDT

    Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday the United States will have a hard time reconciling the delivery of F-35 fighter jets to Turkey if the NATO ally moves ahead with its purchase of a Russian-made air defense system.

    Reuters first reported Thursday that U.S. officials were considering freezing preparations for delivering F-35 aircraft to Turkey should the country buy Russias S-400 long-range air defense system.

    Dunford, who sidestepped a question on whether he supported the United States halting the F-35 delivery, said he hoped the two countries can work through the issue.

    The S-400 is a tough issue. ... I think both the executive branch of our government, the legislative branch of our government, theyre going to have a hard time reconciling the presence of the S-400 and the most advanced fighter aircraft that we have, the F-35, Dunford told attendees at an Atlantic Council event.

    Our position has been made very clear to Turkey, and were hopeful that we can find a way through this, but its a tough issue.

    Turkey is a partner in making the F-35 and parts of the jet are built in the country, with an engine overhaul depot in the city of Eskisehir.

    Ankara is supposed to eventually get 116 of the fifth-generation fighter jets, but U.S. officials have expressed concerns that the S-400 could be used to gather information on the advanced aircraft.

    The S-400 is a computer. The F-35 is a computer. You dont hook your computer to your adversarys computer and thats basically what we would be doing, Katie Wheelbarger, acting assistant secretary of Defense for international security affairs, told Reuters.

    The Reuters report also noted that Pentagon officials were looking at alternatives to Turkeys engine depot.

    A Pentagon spokesman earlier this month warned that should Turkey move ahead with its S-400 purchase, there would be grave consequences in terms of our military relationship with them.

    And Gen. Curtis Scaparrotti, head of U.S. European Command, told Congress that he would recommend that the United States not follow through with the F-35, flying it or working with an ally thats working with Russian systems.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, however, has said the country has already reached an agreement with the Russians and that the S-400 is a done deal, there can be no turning back.

    Dunford stressed Thursday that Turkey is still a U.S. ally, and we have many more areas of convergence than divergence.

    As we look at five, 10 years down the road, I want to make very sure that our Turkish allies are close to us and I work that relationship very hard, Dunford added.
    Meanwhile Turkey announces that it will retrofit its entire F-16 fleet with the ASELSAN AESA radar & optimize them for the air-to-air role- now that its UCAV fleets have attained heavy air-to-ground capability. Turkish officials are of the opinion they could rely on the 245 F-16 CCIP's (modernised Block 40 + 50+) until the TF-X enters service in 2025.

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  • FBW
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    In case context is needed, the last report for Rafale B&C readiness rate was 48.5% in 2015 with spiraling operational costs increasing by 30%.

    In perspective, Rafale C achieved IOC in 2006, the F-35A in 2016.

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  • TomcatViP
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    We should mention quickly here the firm commitment by the Fr MoD that put fleet availability rate across all platform as a priority. Thd next block (F4) will - it is said - feature improvements to better the depressing curves as a specific answer to that request..

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  • FBW
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    Some things are inevitable, taxes, death, and POGO trashing every weapon procurement plan. The Services are well aware of the need to improve readiness across the board for all combat aircraft (80% MC goal across the USAF). The F-35 isnt where it needs to be, but operational deployments have shown it is far from the hangar queen our dear friends at POGO and Defense-Aerospace have opined.

    Probably a a waste of time, but I find it peculiar Hallow comes to vociferous defense of the poor Rafale readiness rates in the AdlA by quoting MC rates in operational deployments, and spent several posts trying refute the damning CAG report from India. Something about convenient watchdog groups, while trashing others. An interesting pile of stones in his glass house. Still waiting for Defense-Aerospace deep dive in to the Readiness rates of the Rafale and accurate costing expose from Defense-Aerospace, but that would probably conflict with De Brigantis funders.
    Last edited by FBW; 21st March 2019, 19:41.

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  • bring_it_on
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post
    Of course there will be improvements. i do not deny it. And yes they participated to operations. Still i would like the calculus N of flight hours/plane/day. I may be wrong but i think it was less than an hour from memory.
    The Marine aviator who led the unit said that the F-35Bs, on their very first outing (which is always a pathfinder effort) was utilized at a rate roughly double that of what a normal Harrier deployment goes through..so yes, relative to how the USMC deploys its fast jet assets on prolonged deployments, the F-35 was utilized at a much higher levels and produced quite good availability rates as it comes directly from those who used it. Simply put, the Marines took the aircraft out for its very first prolonged at sea deployment an in the process were able to rack up 100 combat sorties over 2 theaters while maintaining good readiness rates over the period. Again, I encourage you to go through all the information that is already documented here.

    "Just in our time with 5th Fleet, we supported over 50 days of combat for over 1,200 flight hours didnt drop a single line of FRAG or combat support." "Throughout that whole time period, Marines did a great job keeping it serviceable, he said. We were gone away from the ship for an extreme amount of time a lot of times over five, six hours away from the ship and theyd turn them around that night to fly again the next day. So that went really well."~ Lt. Col. Kyle Shoop, commander VMFA-211
    Additional tidbits on readiness and deployments can be extrapolated from the smaller (12 fighter / 3 weeks) deployment of Hill's F-35A's (combat coded) to this most recent Red Flag. I don't think we'll have to wait all that long to see Hill's F-35A's supporting either CENTCOM or PACOM. The F-22A's are back form CENTCOM and so are the F-35B's so the USAF's A's could be headed there soon for all we know..
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 21st March 2019, 19:47.

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  • halloweene
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    Of course there will be improvements. i do not deny it. And yes they participated to operations. Still i would like the calculus N of flight hours/plane/day. I may be wrong but i think it was less than an hour from memory.

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