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  • ActionJackson
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2010
    • 263

    Impressive eodas view mode showing azimuth and heading indicators to targets so the pilot knows where to look...

    https://www.military.com/video/incre...-imagery-f-35s
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    • bring_it_on
      2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
      • Jun 2004
      • 12479

      Originally posted by bring_it_on View Post


      The House Defense appropriations bill is out and includes 90 F-35's for the US services up 12 from the 78 requested in PB20. The Senate may end up with more but it's pretty certain that the FY20 F-35 orders will be in the 90-95 range for the USAF, USN and USMC.

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      Last edited by bring_it_on; 14th May 2019, 15:14.
      Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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      • TomcatViP
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Nov 2011
        • 5959

        Class A mishap after bird strike during T.O (USMC F35B in Japan):

        A Marine Corps F-35B Joint Strike Fighter was recently forced to abort take-off after a surprise bird strike, Maj. Eric Flanagan, a spokesman for 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, told Marine Corps Times. The fighter never took flight and "safely taxied off the runway," but it didn't escape the situation unscathed.

        An initial assessment of the incident identified this as a Class A mishap
        Source:
        BusinessInsider

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        • TomcatViP
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Nov 2011
          • 5959

          5 on 5:

          Last edited by TomcatViP; 14th May 2019, 17:05.

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          • FBW
            FBW
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Dec 2011
            • 3260

            http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...vs-F-35A-.aspx

            Probably the most sustainable reason for the quixotic F-15EX purchase mentioned in this article.
            F-15 squadrons could transition to the F-15EX in a matter of weeks, whereas converting pilots, maintainers, facilities and equipment to the F-35 takes many months, the Air Force says
            Even with the added F-35A in FY2020 defense appropriations bill (and likely in subsequent years), the number of fighter squadrons is going to dip with the retirement of F-15C. Transitioning from F-15C to F-15EX would at lease alleviate a near term shortage of air superiority assets. I think it generous to state that transitioning squadrons to F-35's takes "many months", probably more like several years for training, infrastructure, and proficiency.

            Still, in light of impending budget squeeze, maintaining the planned F-35 procurement rate should take precedence in USAF requests. If Congress wants to add money on top of that for F-15EX. let them do it. The USN plays Congress beautifully, recommend retiring (CVN, CG-47, etc.) early to fund procurement and outcry leads to Congress (mostly) funding both requested procurement and RCOH/operations costs for CVN-75 just like previous CG-47 retirement threat.
            Last edited by FBW; 17th May 2019, 14:54.

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            • Marcellogo
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jun 2014
              • 1811

              Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
              5 on 5:

              Seems me the real news here is that F-35 can carry 5 Paveway bombs (why not 6, I wonder?).
              Are them launched from inner bombs bay or from wings?

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              • Marcellogo
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jun 2014
                • 1811

                Originally posted by FBW View Post
                http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...vs-F-35A-.aspx

                Probably the most sustainable reason for the quixotic F-15EX purchase mentioned in this article.


                Even with the added F-35A in FY2020 defense appropriations bill (and likely in subsequent years), the number of fighter squadrons is going to dip with the retirement of F-15C. Transitioning from F-15C to F-15EX would at lease alleviate a near term shortage of air superiority assets. I think it generous to state that transitioning squadrons to F-35's takes "many months", probably more like several years for training, infrastructure, and proficiency.

                Still, in light of impending budget squeeze, maintaining the planned F-35 procurement rate should take precedence in USAF requests. If Congress wants to add money on top of that for F-15EX. let them do it. The USN plays Congress beautifully, recommend retiring (CVN, CG-47, etc.) early to fund procurement and outcry leads to Congress (mostly) funding both requested procurement and RCOH/operations costs for CVN-75 just like previous CG-47 retirement threat.
                Fact is that F-35 was never considered as a substitute for F-15C, it should have been the F-22 to take up such a role.
                Now, it seems that they still prefers a revamped version of Eagle to acquiring more F-35 or restart F-22 production.

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                • SolarWarden
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • May 2015
                  • 250

                  Who is "they?" From reports the USAF didn't want this F-15x until a former Boeing executive became acting secdef .

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                  • FBW
                    FBW
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 3260

                    Now, it seems that they still prefers a revamped version of Eagle to acquiring more F-35 or restart F-22 production.
                    That is you projecting your opinions. "They" knew an F-22 restart was going to be prohibitively expensive and counterproductive for the eventual PCA requirements. "They" also planned on longeron replacement, IRST, and EPAWSS to keep the F-15C fleet until at least 2035.

                    The reason for this was that near term F-35 production was to replace the 600 F-16's that weren't projected to receive SLEP, several hundred A-10s. There was simply no way to procure enough F-35A within the 2010's-20's to replace the F-15C fleet too. The F-16 block 32 and below were considered in more dire need of replacement than the F-15C fleet.
                    Last edited by FBW; 17th May 2019, 17:19.

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                    • TomcatViP
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 5959

                      Don't forget the industrial perspective. The 1990's F15E might have been an early CAD airframe. And true must it be with the late F-15S. It's way more easy and economical to start anything new in engineering when you have the proper 3D models, including repairs and parts manufacturing.
                      F-16 is a CATIA V4 airplane for example. I have no doubts that starting with the E as a base, the X would be an entirely better modeled airframe easier to keep updated and maintain.

                      Yes, Secdef is from Boeing but the aspect ratio here is that he comes from the industry. What plagues mostly the AIr force today are operational cost and aging fleet sustainment. It makes sens to have a professional sourced from those industries that work the most with the DoD.
                      Is there any bia? Well, I am confident that DoJ won't stand at rest if anything cross their bull eye.

                      Again, there are some (few) advantages to not live in a Banana republic: one is to have some latitude how to best reach your projected goals.
                      Last edited by TomcatViP; 17th May 2019, 17:51.

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                      • Marcellogo
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 1811

                        Originally posted by FBW View Post

                        That is you projecting your opinions. "They" knew an F-22 restart was going to be prohibitively expensive and counterproductive for the eventual PCA requirements. "They" also planned on longeron replacement, IRST, and EPAWSS to keep the F-15C fleet until at least 2035.

                        The reason for this was that near term F-35 production was to replace the 600 F-16's that weren't projected to receive SLEP, several hundred A-10s. There was simply no way to procure enough F-35A within the 2010's-20's to replace the F-15C fleet too. The F-16 block 32 and below were considered in more dire need of replacement than the F-15C fleet.
                        FBW, I don't understand because you seems to take every single post I make as a sort of personal offence...

                        What exactly are you contesting me ?
                        The fact that they, intending with this word the one in charge of your own country long term defence planning, weapon development, acquisition and maintenance never intended the F-35, when they begun the relative program as a substitute for F-15 A to D version for the simple fact that even before it performed its first flight (2006) they were already acquiring the F-22 for this precise role?

                        When the ATF program was initiated it was intended to acquire 750 planes, progressively reduced in a series of successive steps until the 187 that were finally produced but even such a reduction of orders doesn't deterred "they" in their infinite God-awarded wisdom, to retire not just the 445 F-15A&B built in the 70ies but even 2/3 of the fleet of the 575 C&D built in 1979-1985 (and relegating more than half of the remaining in the ANG) BEFORE the F-35 even reached IOC and I'm the one that is projecting his own opinions?

                        Feel however fully assured that the idea of a possible restart of F-22 production NEVER EVER entered in my mind.

                        I can assure you, it was not me that stored away in Alaska the serial assembly line tools, just in case; it was definitively not me that debated on the national press or even in your own country Congress about such a ludicrous proposal and finally it was not me that produced a formal cost-evaluation study about the subject: those were all things that came from your own side of the Atlantic, sorry...

                        Do you feel somewhat insulted by the fact that a strangers has the gall to insinuate that the ones designated to rule the long term weapon development and acquisition of the Godly-appointed mighty America may have maybe, possibly made some marginal, errors like trashing the 8/10 of their own Air Superiority Fleet, without even thinking to any feasible alternative (and let's repeat. the F-22 restart was an absolutely ludicrous one) while "waiting for Godot"?

                        Well, keep on feeling that way because the more you reply me with such scandalized, self-righteous tones, the more my (absolutely personal,I eagerly concede) opinion that not just "they" have failed you (not you as a person but all the american taxpayers) great time all along the last 30 years and even more that they will keep on doing such with almost absolute impunity if your public opinion would keep on being made, as it unfortunately seem given the results, by persons showing the same level of chauvinism and lack of self- criticism and public awareness you unfortunately seems to fall into more than often, will only grown stronger and stronger.
                        Last edited by Marcellogo; 17th May 2019, 20:09.

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                        • FBW
                          FBW
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 3260

                          Marcellogo, your ability to find personal offense in every response I make to your posts continues to astound me.

                          I stand by what I said, your interjecting your personal opinion about the F-35, into a complex political and defense policy issue. There is no they, the recently resigned Sec Air Force explicitly stated the USAF did not want or require any F-15, especially at the expense of 5th gen procurement. They, meaning the Air Force, did not see the need to replace F-15s with more F-15s. This decision was made at the SecDef level, with some support within the Pentagon outside of Shanahan.

                          The USAF Planned to have the F-15C until circa 2035, now that looks unlikely. As I said in previous post, the is a need for massive Recap of platforms within Air Force. This F-15EX buy isnt about a lack of confidence in the F-35s abilities as you suggest, more a lack of confidence in the ability to ramp up F-35 procurement, training, support, and sustainment to meet the needs of ALL the impending platform obsolesce and end service life.

                          Edit- one last thing, stop with the Im just an impartial observer viewing this objectively act. Your bias is as obvious as us all. Ive read your posts here and on Russiadefense enough to understand your point of view. Frankly, I smile a bit everytime you lecture me about Chauvinism.
                          Last edited by FBW; 17th May 2019, 20:37.

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                          • Marcellogo
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Jun 2014
                            • 1811

                            Yes, I eagerly confess how I prefer the way, although somewhat baroque and time consuming, in which Russian proceeds in their own long time acquisition programmes an hundredfold better than your own country had after the end of the Cold War.
                            Same politically talking, I as an European would eagerly prefer a multipolar world, as contemplated in the so called Primakov doctrine than the unipolar world that sprang forth from the end of such period with only a Power at the helm of it.
                            And yes, I eagerly think that your own country is absolutely not fit for such a role, if any would ever be.
                            Said so, I consider the day the berlin Wall fell one of the best days of my whole life(also because the Soviet Empire was just another thing than today's Russia, like a.t.c. Reagan's America was completely another one, in positive, than Trump and Clinton's one).
                            Only one thing, just look the number of posts I made there compared to the ones I made in Russiadefense. and you would see the difference of partecipation.
                            What I like in Russiandefence is the fact that they follow in depth every item (and they have alot of them, surely more than what would be optimal if they were not the gargantuan sized nation they are). of a giant sized and multifaceted re-armament program and even have several threads covering the process as a whole, something you cannot fully grasp following the single, although excellent RuAF thread on this forum.
                            So, please avoid to consider this, as you have made in one of your posts I found particularly offensive, like some sort of betrayal of the Holy NATO alliance pact.

                            What make me wonder the most about the peculiar type of national Chauvinism, always present in such discussion threads, of your country is the apparent lack of criticism toward your own political, military and industrial establishment americans seems to show, Russians could be nationalist at an absurd level but they are also critical, even biased sometimes. when it come to evaluate the decision of their own leadership.
                            On America's side , considered a beacon of democracy, free thinking and liberty of speech, a deafening silence if not even an acritical defence of everything , even the most evident bull**** that is said.
                            So,let's play a game: I will began to criticize what I consider wrong in Russian (or even my own country ) defence situation and you made the same about the defence extablishment of the country you pay your tax into...
                            You said that F-15 substitution is a complex defence and political issue, so what made it such? A defence secretary that was nominated at the begin of this year or the ones that failed to address it when it begame evident that F-22 production would have been totally insufficient to cover the issue?

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                            • halloweene
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 4233

                              Interrogations about F-35 raising costs consequences in Norway.

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                              • SpudmanWP
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 5237

                                Congress wants to improve the parts issue by.. withholding half the funds

                                The House panel that approves defense spending intends to withhold half of next years funding for F-35 spare parts until the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin Corp. agree on the sale of technical data for spare parts to improve the tracking of items and allow purchases from other suppliers.
                                More at the JUMP
                                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ks-data-rights
                                "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                                • SpudmanWP
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2009
                                  • 5237

                                  John Venable writes a well done status report, from the perspective of experienced pilots and maintainers, of the F-35 and its strengths & challenges. It is long but well worth the read.




                                  The U.S. Air Forces first F-35A fighter wing is now fully operational. The road to this point has been filled with insights on the aircraft, simulator, maintenance and logistical support, and operations that will apply to any service or nation flying the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). This assessment is based on interviews with 30 F-35A combat pilots as well as senior operations and maintenance leaders at Hill Air Force Base in Utah. It follows a similar assessment from 2016 of 31 other highly experienced former fourth-generation fighter pilots, who were then flying the F-35A at two other Air Force locations. The collective perspectives confirm that, while the JSF is still several years away from realizing its full potential, even now, the F-35A is the most dominant and lethal multi-role aircraft in the world.



                                  Web: https://www.heritage.org/defense/rep...stem-the-world

                                  PDF: https://www.heritage.org/sites/defau...-05/BG3406.pdf










                                  "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                                  • XB-70
                                    Rank 4 Registered User
                                    • May 2018
                                    • 264

                                    SpudmanWP - Putting some pressure on Lockmart isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sure, it will likely cause a bit more pain early up (so it does carry some risk). But you also got to think about the long term. The fact that spares are an issue already doesn't bode well for future years with increased production. And a diversified supply chain brings benefits in lower costs all on its own too.

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