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  • Vans
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    Syrian Air Force shoots down Russian plane

    anyone know which plane? the media just says maritime plane, I guess it was the il-38
  • archangelski
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    #2
    Il-20M
    Last edited by archangelski; 18th September 2018, 16:22.

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    • ClanWarrior
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      #3
      Tensions have decreased over the shooting down of the Russian Il-20M maritime reconnaissance plane over Syria.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45563304

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      • ActionJackson
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        #4
        The bombing around Latakia wasnt expected by the Russians so Israel mustnt have used the deconfliction channels first.

        The s-400 crew just a few km away mustve been told to not fire on anything no matter what.

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        • halloweene
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          #5
          Apparently, as a retaliation, the two S300 systems ordered by Syria will be delivered within two weeks. (no idea when they would be operational)

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          • TomcatViP
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            #6
            S-300 will increase resilience to jamming & Hacking and deepen the involvement of Russians specialist in Syrian IADS (among other).
            Last edited by TomcatViP; 24th September 2018, 15:16.

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            • ActionJackson
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              #7
              This could get embarrassing if Israel just knocks them straight down with their F-35s.

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              • TomcatViP
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                #8
                They just don't have to use them to be safe (they can still fire using their old S-200 I guess).

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                • halloweene
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                  #9
                  And it would be embarassing if they shot down a F-35... (lets hope not and no casualties)

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                  • haavarla
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                    #10
                    The important and interesting question about this additional S-300 is not the WHEN, but WHERE.
                    It will most likely be much closer to Israeli Border, than say Tartus S-300 Battery.
                    Thanks

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                    • Levsha
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                      #11
                      Not sure how delivering some new missiles systems to the Syrians will change much overall. The Syrian military already must have one serious air defence system as it is - thousands of missiles available - hundreds of them already fired at the Israeli air force with little to show for it. One Israeli aircraft shot down.

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                      • haavarla
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                        #12
                        You guys don't get it. What Russia is now doing is creating a Fog of War situation, where there will be both Russian and Syrian crew operating S-300. It means they are sort of Immune towards IDF.
                        What does it take for IDF to attack such S-300 battery where they risk kill Russian servicemen?
                        Last edited by haavarla; 24th September 2018, 17:44.
                        Thanks

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                        • Levsha
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                          #13
                          You guys don't get it. What Russia is now doing is creating a Fog of War situation, where there will be both Russian and Syrian crew operating S-300. It means they are sort of Immune towards IDF.
                          What does it take for IDF to attack such S-300 battery where they risk kill Russian servicemen?
                          Well the Russians can't do that - if they did that they would be taking sides with the Syrians against the Israelis - they wouldn't be neutral anymore. The Russian and the Israelis have already made agreements about this, levels of demarcations and what not.

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                          • rpgtype7v
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                            #14
                            new video about shot down of il-20 and killing of 15 highly trained expensive russian officers.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=rlz4TSKSaAI

                            Now some comment - this was bound to happen -Russians got what they deserved , it was only the question of time... You are at war, you have allies , and you have a deal with enemy side to bomb your allies whenever /whereever they want.- disgusting deal. Usa would never do that.... You respect interests of other sides(izrael turkey usa ) and they are enemy of your ally- Syria. Usa occupies tanf and has no fly zone over euphrates and tanf and you respect that ? what about your own interests - Russians complain only 1 min was given as a warning, thats what they are complaining about, not that they let Izrael orgy in Syrian airspace all these years, ...what a humiliation.
                            old USSR would have closed off whole syrian airspace 100% for everyone except its and syrian planes..
                            Why didnt s-400 defend that il-20 and shot down some f-16??
                            They bomb your ally few miles from s-400 and you call it tragic mistake...putins rating is seriously shaken after this he was elected by jew oligarhs as new president after yeltsin thats not a coincidence, maybe someone more serious as shoigu will take the lead.

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                            • panzerfeist1
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                              #15
                              So they don't mind on still deploying the s-300pmu2s despite the presence of F-22s and F-35s. It looks like they are not backing down on their words either. I have seen many reports from 5 months ago that Israel is very highly against the entire system even being turned on that they were mostly talking about destroying the thing before it turns on. US and Israel only warned Russia of the move https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-war...major-mistake/. So when they are deploying it will they be deploying a mobile defense network along with an air force? I am thinking that the mobilization would be very quick considering how far Syria is from Russia.

                              Anyone think Israel will now be forced to be friends with Syria?

                              haavarla
                              "What does it take for IDF to attack such S-300 battery where they risk kill Russian servicemen?"
                              Israel never minded the Russians using an S-400 or S-300 even though it covered their airspace. They are more highly against the Syrians operating them.

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                              • LMFS
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                                #16
                                Not sure how delivering some new missiles systems to the Syrians will change much overall. The Syrian military already must have one serious air defence system as it is - thousands of missiles available - hundreds of them already fired at the Israeli air force with little to show for it. One Israeli aircraft shot down.
                                Would you see no difference in the capacity of USAF if they still used Phantoms instead of F-22s? That is the rough equivalent of the SAMs Syria has today compared to state of the art. Not to speak of IAD infrastructure and the rest of supporting assets any serious military should have and are completely missing in Syrian case.
                                As to the rest of your assumptions, they are false too. Both in regards of the capacities of S-300 compared to S-200 (which can engage only one target at a time and has one missile per launcher, apart from having completely outdated electronics) to the fact that Syria will receive modern command and control equipment to coordinate their AD and see what the Russian radars see, which is alone a total game changer for IAF beyond the already difficult situation they have today after a modest modernisation of existing SAM systems and delivery of some Pantsirs (in case you didn't notice, IAF only performs attacks with stand-off weapons since a while) and which has caused more loses than the single fighter acknowledged.

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                                • mig-31bm
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                                  #17
                                  I have seen many reports from 5 months ago that Israel is very highly against the entire system even being turned on that they were mostly talking about destroying the thing before it turns on.
                                  What reports ? "unnamed officials" from sputnik ?

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                                  • haavarla
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                                    #18
                                    There are reports that the Latakia S-400 system did infact track both the Il-20M and the F-16. So much for the Russian not having their AD gear "turned on".
                                    Thanks

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                                    • bring_it_on
                                      2005-year of the RAPTOR!!

                                      #19
                                      The important and interesting question about this additional S-300 is not the WHEN, but WHERE.
                                      It will most likely be much closer to Israeli [Border, than say Tartus S-300 Battery.
                                      One important question would be whether this delivery IF it happens, has any effect on deterring IDF strikes in Syria. Not holding my breath. Israel will continue to attack targets inside Syria if it deems the threat credible and short of all out war against them there isn't much anyone else can do. It would be the same for US/NATO strike aircraft if they wish to attack targets inside Syria for whatever reason. The S-300's would be dealt with, deconflicted (if the Russians operate them) or worked around.
                                      Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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                                      • stealthflanker
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                                        #20
                                        It looks to me like a Resolution problem.

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