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  • Lava
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2004
    • 249

    #41
    xfv-1

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    • Lava
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2004
      • 249

      #42
      XFV-1 `seems to be built on a WW-2 German design. Athough the orginal German Design had one major difference from XFV-1 that was the German aircraft was supposed to Jet powered And It Intended to take Off as a helicopter And fly as conventional Jet Aircraft.
      Here's my rough sketch of that Aircraft Picture which I saw some Years back in my High School Library
      Plz excuse my bad drawing
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      Last edited by Lava; 31st December 2004, 12:19.

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      • Lava
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2004
        • 249

        #43
        Originally posted by SteveO
        Interesting project from 1967
        The Convair Model 49
        http://www.russian.ee/~star/vertigo/convair-49-r.html
        Sc Fi movies seem to have taken inspiration from it!!
        Last edited by Lava; 31st December 2004, 11:17.

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        • dan_pub
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • May 2004
          • 559

          #44
          Originally posted by Lava
          OK which aircraft is this one!?
          It is a Short S.C.1

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          • SteveO
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Mar 2004
            • 1896

            #45
            Originally posted by Lava
            Sc Fi movies seem to have taken inspiration from it!!
            The inspiration for the Gunstar from The Last Starfighter?
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            • Lava
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2004
              • 249

              #46
              Yeah Stevo! this was something I was talking about!

              Thanks Dan Pub ! (My STOVL aircraft world initially revolved on SHAR's,DO-31 because these were the only STOVL aircrafts I had seen & read about untill Discovery came along and expanded my STOVL vocab to include names of OSPREY, F-35,F-32,YAK-141,YAK38 )

              OK here is the diagram of Lockheed Lift-Fan STOVL Fighter Design proposed in 1988!?

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              • dan_pub
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • May 2004
                • 559

                #47
                Originally posted by Lava
                Thanks Dan Pub !
                You're very welcome.

                VTOL is a fascinating domain. And those programs you mention are only the late-comer to the game. There was a whole series of developments in the mid-60s, spopnsored by NATO which thought that all runways would be destroyed by the soviet hordes during their initial strike.
                Everything was tried, even the most extreme ideas. Check some programs like the Zero Length Launch Starfighter. Conventional landing, but VTO.

                (Doesn't it beg the question: what happens if anything goes wrong? )
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                • Lava
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 249

                  #48
                  Originally posted by dan_pub
                  You're very welcome.

                  VTOL is a fascinating domain. And those programs you mention are only the late-comer to the game. There was a whole series of developments in the mid-60s, spopnsored by NATO which thought that all runways would be destroyed by the soviet hordes during their initial strike.
                  Everything was tried, even the most extreme ideas. Check some programs like the Zero Length Launch Starfighter. Conventional landing, but VTO.

                  (Doesn't it beg the question: what happens if anything goes wrong? )
                  Hey Thanks ! As I was browsing for "Zero Length Launch " I found a site having lots of Videos including Zero Length launch F-84,F-100,F-104.
                  X-13 Ryan Jet , V-22 Osprey, XFV-1 and some other rare videos !!
                  www.airspacemag.com/ asm/web/site/QT/menu.html

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                  • fightingirish
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • May 2004
                    • 1181

                    #49
                    Originally posted by Lava
                    XFV-1 `seems to be built on a WW-2 German design. Athough the orginal German Design had one major difference from XFV-1 that was the German aircraft was supposed to Jet powered And It Intended to take Off as a helicopter And fly as conventional Jet Aircraft.
                    Here's my rough sketch of that Aircraft Picture which I saw some Years back in my High School Library
                    Plz excuse my bad drawing
                    Here is some information about the Focke-Wulf Triebflugel at www.luft46.com. You can also find other German WW2 VTOL projects there! :diablo:

                    fightingirish
                    Sln, fightingirish
                    Avatar: Ho-Yeol Ryu, Flughafen (Airport), Hannover [HAJ / EDDV] 2005

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                    • Flanker_man
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 3679

                      #50
                      Originally posted by Lava
                      Hey Thanks ! As I was browsing for "Zero Length Launch " I found a site having lots of Videos including Zero Length launch F-84,F-100,F-104.
                      X-13 Ryan Jet , V-22 Osprey, XFV-1 and some other rare videos !!
                      www.airspacemag.com/ asm/web/site/QT/menu.html
                      ......and Soviet MiG-19's....

                      Ken
                      Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
                      Flankers (& others) website at :-
                      http://flankers.co.uk/

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                      • fightingirish
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • May 2004
                        • 1181

                        #51
                        german VTOL projects after WW2

                        Here some interesting pic's of german VTOL projects after WW2:
                        Do31, VJ101C-X2 and VAK191B.
                        Especially for model makers!!!

                        fightingirish
                        Sln, fightingirish
                        Avatar: Ho-Yeol Ryu, Flughafen (Airport), Hannover [HAJ / EDDV] 2005

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                        • SteveO
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 1896

                          #52
                          This is a good site for those interested in STOVL
                          International V/STOL Historical Society http://www.vstol.org/

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                          • fightingirish
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • May 2004
                            • 1181

                            #53
                            Great site.
                            The The V/STOL Wheel of Mis-Fortune tremendous!

                            fightingirish
                            Sln, fightingirish
                            Avatar: Ho-Yeol Ryu, Flughafen (Airport), Hannover [HAJ / EDDV] 2005

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                            • Lava
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 249

                              #54
                              Originally posted by fightingirish
                              Here is some information about the Focke-Wulf Triebflugel at www.luft46.com. You can also find other German WW2 VTOL projects there! :diablo:

                              fightingirish
                              Hey Fighting Irish Thanks !
                              Jeeez....You made my day!
                              PS: I am seeing that diagram again after nearly 7-8 yrs and u dont know how nostalgic I feel about my good old high school days!

                              Its Really a good site! Some really intresting designs!

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                              • Lava
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2004
                                • 249

                                #55
                                Originally posted by Flanker_man
                                ......and Soviet MiG-19's....

                                Ken
                                lol.... I forgot!

                                Originally posted by fightingirish
                                Here some interesting pic's of german VTOL projects after WW2:
                                Do31, VJ101C-X2 and VAK191B.
                                Especially for model makers!!!
                                Hey can utellme on thing is VAK-191 inspired from Yak-38 or is it vice versa!



                                Originally posted by SteveO
                                This is a good site for those interested in STOVL
                                International V/STOL Historical Society http://www.vstol.org/
                                Hey man Thanks !!! A good site with really good collection of projects !!!!
                                Especially what I liked was that they helped in distinguishing the lift techniques employed by various crafts.

                                Thaanks A LOT!!!!!!!!:

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                                • Lava
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Dec 2004
                                  • 249

                                  #56
                                  Hey another intresting design RIVET(Reverse Installation Vectored Thrust!) STOVL concept from Lockheed!!



                                  Last edited by Lava; 4th January 2005, 06:08.

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                                  • Lava
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Dec 2004
                                    • 249

                                    #57
                                    Some Cool pictures of Yak 38
                                    Attached Files

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                                    • Lava
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Dec 2004
                                      • 249

                                      #58
                                      More
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                                      • dan_pub
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • May 2004
                                        • 559

                                        #59
                                        Originally posted by Lava
                                        Hey another intresting design RIVET(Reverse Installation Vectored Thrust!) STOVL concept from Lockheed!!
                                        Man, it is rare to ideas that look so dumb at first sight!
                                        A reverse-mounted jet engine, imagine that... :diablo:

                                        I'm almost surprised that gazilions in taxpayers' money were not spent on this concept.

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                                        • Lava
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Dec 2004
                                          • 249

                                          #60
                                          A reverse-mounted jet engine, imagine that... :diablo:
                                          lol... It was a secret plane to confuse Enemy's IR missiles :diablo:

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