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    Turkey's newly announced 300+ metre STOBAR Aircraft carrier

    Turkey has announced a program to design, develop and produce a 300+ metre STOBAR Aircraft Carrier by 2029.

    What we know so far from Turkish media:

    ICDAS Shipyard has acquired a new dry dock which measures 370m by 70m for this sole purpose.

    Turkey intends to field a CV variant of the TF-X fighter (or another fighter to be developed with ROSTEC of Russia).

    TEKSAV Teknoloji, a Turkish company which produces Aircraft Arresting systems has been asked to develop the STOBAR system.

    Turkey's success in developing surface-combatant carrier escorts (AAW Frigates, MILDEN Submarine etc) has paved the way for the CV program



    http://www.denizhaber.com.tr/icdas-t...aber-81684.htm
    http://www.star.com.tr/ekonomi/ilk-u...haber-1345284/
    https://www.virahaber.com/ilk-ucak-g...yor-48434h.htm
    Last edited by Bayar; 22nd May 2018, 11:54.

    #2
    Meanwhile Turkey's 2 LHD's/Light Carriers (TCG Anadolu and TCG Trakya) will be getting 16 F-35B's each...

    TCG Trakya, On The Way
    http://en.c4defence.com/Agenda/tcg-t...the-way/6374/1

    As Turkey counts down for delivery of the first F-35 Lightning II aircraft, another development came into light of the Turkish Navy front. According to the information obtained by C4Defence, the service plans to supply a total of 32 short-takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft. Today, there are two aircraft models with this feature and one is to retire. For this reason, the service is considering Lockheed Martin's F-35B aircraft program.

    According to the information obtained, the service wrote a letter to the Chief of General Staff and requested initiation of the construction of TCG Trakya, the twin of Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) TCG ANADOLU. The Navy stated that the timing of construction of the second ship would have many advantages both in terms of construction time and program cost.

    The second phase of the program will include the supply of vertical landing aircraft to be deployed on TCG Trakya. Accordingly, the total number of F-35B aircraft demanded by the service will also be revised.

    Although it is not officially requested from the US yet, the Navy plans to buy 16 aircraft per LHD. If all goes as planned, Turkey will have purchased 100 F-35As and 32 F-35Bs.

    The Spanish Navantia Shipyard provides technical support to Sedef Shipyard. Sedef Shipyard utilizes Navantia's Juan Carlos 1 LHD ship experience. The Spanish Juan Carlos 1 ship is equipped with McDonnell Douglas design (now Boeing) AV-8B Harrier II platforms as well as vertical landing helicopters. Spain plans to retire these aircraft and supply the F-35B instead.

    This news is exclusive to C4Defence and cannot be used/published without referencing to C4Defence.

    Short Url: http://c4news.me/4G7y7

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      #3
      Just wait for this to happen....

      https://cicilline.house.gov/press-re...les-turkey-act
      ...

      He was my North, my South, my East and West,
      My working week and my Sunday rest,
      My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
      I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

      The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
      Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
      Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
      For nothing now can ever come to any good.
      -------------------------------------------------
      W.H.Auden (1945)

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        #4
        Originally posted by Deino View Post
        Should that Bill become legislation then the deal with Rostec of Russia will kick in...we could then see a YAK-141 derivative aircraft fielded by both Russian and Turkish LHDs.

        Turkey would also allocate the $20 billion it had allocated for the F-35s towards speeding up the TF-X program with BAE systems.

        The US would then loose Incirlik AF base and the Kurecik Radar station together with Turkish Air Space. We could also see Russian and Chinese bases in Turkey and Northern Cyprus....There is a very remote possibility of the Trump Administration making this mistake.
        Last edited by Bayar; 22nd May 2018, 16:57.

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          #5
          ... (Sensored)

          Really the Yack?! In 2030's!

          One minute... Let me get the Nieuport Blueprints... You never know.

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            #6
            Should that Bill become legislation then the deal with Rostec of Russia will kick in...we could then see a YAK-141 derivative aircraft fielded by both Russian and Turkish LHD’s.
            Facepalm
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              #7
              It would be fun to see this happen. But unfortunately the Turkish president is making it difficult for the economy.

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                #8
                Regardless of any other consideration fielding a 300+ mtrs CV in the mediterranean seems me a total overkill, let's imagine in the Black sea.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Marcellogo View Post
                  Regardless of any other consideration fielding a 300+ mtrs CV in the mediterranean seems me a total overkill, let's imagine in the Black sea.
                  It wont be fielded in the Black Sea or Mediterranean Sea.

                  It will be primarily in the Indian Ocean with logistical support from the Turkish bases in Somalia and Sudan.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
                    ... (Sensored)

                    Really the Yack?! In 2030's!

                    One minute... Let me get the Nieuport Blueprints... You never know.
                    Keyword- derivative of the YAK-141.

                    You would recall the F-35B also uses technology that Lockheed Martin had obtained from Yakolev

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                      #11
                      https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2...ft-carrier/amp

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                        #12
                        You would recall the F-35B also uses technology that Lockheed Martin had obtained from Yakolev
                        BS

                        A great deal of misinformation has appeared on the Internet regarding the relationship of the Soviet Yak-41 (later Yak-141), NATO reporting name Freestyle, to the X-35 and the rest of the JSF program. The Pratt & Whitney 3BSD nozzle design predates the Russian work. In fact the 3BSD was tested with a real engine almost twenty years before the first flight of the Yak.
                        http://www.codeonemagazine.com/article.html?item_id=137
                        "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                          #13
                          ^Nonsense Spudman. The US reframed the argument to make it about the nozzle. Its not about the nozzle. Its about the jet. The size, the mission scope and the general capability. That was manifested in the Yak first.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bayar View Post
                            Keyword- derivative of the YAK-141.
                            Yeah... that's not achievable within the next two decades. Its not as simple as dusting out the old blueprints and ordering up a new set of molds.

                            You would recall the F-35B also uses technology that Lockheed Martin had obtained from Yakolev
                            A popular myth. The data from Yakolev was employed in the JSF risk reduction studies and to pad LM's proposal to the DoD. None of the technology made it onto the actual aircraft - the F-35B employs a shaft driven lift fan (cold air) in contrast to the Yak-141's twin turbojets. Its a very different principle. As for the 3 bearing swivel nozzle - that had its origins in the Convair 200 program (which, though cancelled, predates the Yak-141).

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                              #15
                              You mean the two lift engines.. oh wait, the F-35 uses a lift fan.. maybe the stealth, nope.... mid-mounted the main engine.... nope.

                              The size, the mission scope and the general capability
                              You mean like a bigger version of the Harrier which has been on the drawing board FOREVER.. or how about the Convair Model 200 which came LONG before the Yak was even drempt of and is where teh 3BN came from.

                              Try your nonsense elsewhere.
                              "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                                #16
                                The general 'philosophy' of VSTOL had been demonstrated way back in the 60s.

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                                  #17
                                  With a little R&D, an ASELSAN AESA radar and a TAEC Aircraft Engine Industry Corporation Engine I am pretty sure Turkey can field a YAK-141 based VTOL aircraft suitable for use on its LHDs. It does not need to be a 5th Gen aircraft. 4.5 Gen is sufficient for Turkey.

                                  With Turkeys stand-off missiles such as the SOM-B1 the 4.5 gen VTOL aircraft can still be very useful.
                                  Last edited by Bayar; 23rd May 2018, 05:15.

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                                    #18
                                    The general 'philosophy' of VSTOL had been demonstrated way back in the 60s.
                                    ...and in 1963 in Germany (VJ 101), and in UK (Hawker P.1127) and in... who knows...

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                                      #19
                                      I am pretty sure Turkey can field a YAK-141 based VTOL
                                      ok so who will pay for its development? Russia probably won't, they're interested in the Su-57K, unless Turkey pays most of reviving a Yak-141.
                                      Also why would you want to go from a 5th gen aircraft to a 4th gen?

                                      And do you really want to leave the US-NATO alliance for Russia? Sure, it means Incirlik might be gone.. but it also means it makes it much easier for NATO to side with Greece during a dispute. Also supporting the Kurds.

                                      Russia?.. they support Syria, your enemy.

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                                        #20
                                        The Harrier wasn't supersonic.

                                        In the spirit of these copy accusations , it works. I can go on all day about how the tu 160 isn't a copy of the B1A but you wont care.

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