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  • halloweene
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    Finland insist on testinf F-35 prior to buying.

    https://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/a/...a-d620a78601b8

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    • bring_it_on
      2005-year of the RAPTOR!!

      There are multiple ways a potential user can evaluate the aircraft and the processes are very similar to the F teens though if you wanted your own pilot to fly you would naturally have to spend some cash. The cheapest way could simply be to embed your evaluators into DOT&E teams and monitor those activities. FOT&E activities in support of block-4 will even feature stealth targets (5GAT) and other higher end threat systems currently in the works.

      There are also M&S facility at Wright Patt and elsewhere where partners and potential customers with adequate security clearance can get access to performance against specific threat systems under various mission scenarios.
      Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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      • SpudmanWP
        Rank 5 Registered User

        There are a range of options from letting them use the FMS & other training tools to sending some of their test pilots through the F-35's transition course.
        "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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        • TomcatViP
          Rank 5 Registered User

          Seen here : https://breakingdefense.com/2018/11/...5s-in-the-air/

          capable rate for this F-35 deployment (to the U.K., Estonia and Bulgaria) was 87.5 percent, Col. David Lyons, the 388th Fighter Wing commander, told reporters. And my current rate for my F-16s that are doing great work in Spain is 75 percent.
          [...]
          The F-35s per flight hour operating costs have already fallen and are edging closer to those of of F-16, according to Air Force officials. At the Farnborough Air Show in July, Lockheed Martin executives said they believe they can reduce operation and maintenance costs by 38 percent over the next decade.

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          • SpudmanWP
            Rank 5 Registered User

            We can see part of that "$12k" drop in the annual RCPFH numbers released by the DoD.





            Where RCPFH sits in the whole CPFH schema:

            "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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            • TomcatViP
              Rank 5 Registered User

              Interesting read regarding the C:

              Navy Stands Up Joint Strike Fighter Wing to Oversee F-35C Operations, Training, Manning

              VFA-147 will pave the way for the fleet as the squadron to go through the IOC process and then the first to deploy. McCoy said the squadron is fully manned and operating like any other squadron in the Navy. Pilots have been conducting field carrier landings ashore, ahead of heading out to sea to conduct carrier qualifications on USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70). Once all the pilots are carrier-qualified in early December, the squadron will be declared safe for flight and then theyll be off to the races operating ahead of their formal testing.

              147 has absolutely knocked it out of the park; they have had zero defects on all of their inspections, their maintenance programs as well as their weapons inspections, McCoy said, noting that he doesnt see any hurdles between now and the squadrons safe for flight certification, which is the last IOC-related event the JSF wing can control.
              [...]
              For now, theres still a lot to learn, but McCoy said the F-35C maintainer base was growing quickly and that pilot production should accelerate soon too. The F-35C community is about 400 or 500 strong, with more than 50 pilots to date.
              Source:
              USNI.org
              Last edited by TomcatViP; 30th November 2018, 14:19.

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              • halloweene
                Rank 5 Registered User

                After NL "errors" in costing F-35, ANAO do not know how much they will cost...

                https://www.anao.gov.au/work/perform...nd-sustainment

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                • Sintra
                  Rank 5 Registered User

                  Hallo, they do know how much they will cost to acquire, they havent figured yet how much they will cost to sustain through their whole life, diferent thing
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                  • bring_it_on
                    2005-year of the RAPTOR!!

                    But if he put it that way it wouldn't sound as good would it? Given that the US CAPE itself has constantly changed the 50+ year O&S estimate over the years is a good indication that these costs are not very easy to model with high degree of accuracy. Over time, with more data they will be able to better predict long term cost.

                    I would actually be surprised if the RAAF could accurately predict the lifecycle cost of its Growlers given the upcoming NGJ-MB and NGJ-LB systems and their sustainment needs.
                    Last edited by bring_it_on; 5th December 2018, 15:27.
                    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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