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  • Vans
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2015
    • 112

    #21
    UAE involvement is potentially viable, South Korea and UAE signed some strategic agreements to defend each other while building nukes.

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    • ananda
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Oct 2010
      • 488

      #22
      ROK already try to get third partner..remember Turkey? But they decide to went on their own, if not mistaken bacause they do not want to be Junior Partner (as Indonesian do).

      It's not easy to find another nation that want and willing to invest on Fighter Programme. Despite the issue on last year installment, Indonesia has already invest on Jet Fighter manufacturing facility in DI/IAe complex. This investment outside KFX development share. Thus more or less Indonesis already stuck with the project.

      UAE has ambition on Aerospace, but KFX development stages already in stage where design development more or less already in unreversible stage. Thus if UAE want to join in, they have to take the set design (and Junior Partner status). If the want to do that,and they can. Is not secret frm begining ROK hope for 2 partner (thus 3 nation participant) in the project.

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      • BlackArcher
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Dec 2010
        • 3825

        #23
        RTAF receives its 2 T-50THs finally

        KUALA LUMPURTwo Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) T-50s light trainers finally have been delivered to the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) after a delay caused by damage suffered in bad weather.

        The aircraft arrived at the RTAFs Takhli base in Nakhon Sawan province, 240 km (140 mi) northwest of Bangkok, on Jan. 25, 17 days after they left South Korea for the ferry flight.

        Just a few hours before they were supposed to land in Tahkli on Jan. 11 the T-50s were forced to abort to Kuantan airport, on the east coast of the Malaysian peninsula. The crews had encountered difficulties after flying through severe weather over the South China Sea.

        Checks on the ground showed that the single engine of each aircraft had suffered slight damage. The RTAF demanded replacement engines.

        RTAF commander Air Chief Marshal Johm Rungswang, who took delivery of the trainers, confirmed that KAI had fitted the new engines, according to the Bangkok Post newspaper.


        The other two aircraft from the 2015 order are expected to be delivered in March as scheduled, Johm says. Thailand designates these aircraft as T-50THs. Although they will be used for training, they are fitted with radars and wired for weapons, giving the capabilities of the FA-50 light-attack version of the T-50.

        Eight more T-50s, worth $258 million, were ordered in July 2017; deliveries are expected by 2020. T-50s will replace Thailands L-39 trainers, which also operate from Tahkli.

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        • stealthflanker
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Sep 2015
          • 810

          #24
          So the future looks good for KF/IF-X program

          https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nat...56_243400.html

          Defense Minister Song Young-moo ended his three-day Indonesia visit, which focused on expanding bilateral defense cooperation, Wednesday.

          On Tuesday, he met with his Indonesian counterpart Ryamizard Ryacudu, with both sides pledging to make concerted efforts to resolve North Korea's nuclear provocations peacefully.

          They also agreed to continue strengthening their technological partnership for the ongoing KF-X project under which both countries jointly develop the fighter jet by the first half of 2026. They also reached a consensus to expand the partnership in other areas such as co-developing next-generation submarines, according to the defense ministry.

          On Wednesday, Song paid a courtesy visit to Indonesian President Joko Widodo, asking for the latter to continue giving close attention and support to Korea's defense industry.

          The Indonesian president praised Seoul's efforts to offer a series of reconciliatory gestures to Pyongyang to improve inter-Korean relations ahead of the upcoming PyeongChang Winter Olympics.

          He said he will visit Korea this year, and promised to build additional momentum for enhancing mutual ties in security and defense.

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          • EagleSpirit
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2012
            • 175

            #25
            Here is an actual official press-release that is openly available (unfortunately only in Korean) on the website of a government agency.
            Link: http://www.dapa.go.kr/dapa/na/ntt/se...531&menuId=678
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            Summary: PDR is complete, EMD will start, AESA Radar development continues, Re-affirms early 2021 roll-out of #1 and first flight in late 2022 and end of development in 2026.
            Edit: CDR is scheduled for completion September next year, seems very ambitious.
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            Pictured: (Above) The KF-X C109 configuration that has been developed for Milestone B.
            Last edited by EagleSpirit; 29th June 2018, 09:12.

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            • J-20
              Rank 3 Registered User
              • Jan 2018
              • 124

              #26
              boo. no bays, no stealth.

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              • EagleSpirit
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jan 2012
                • 175

                #27
                Originally posted by J-20 View Post
                boo. no bays, no stealth.
                Maybe in a later variant. Have to reduce development time, cost, risk.

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                • Bayar
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 726

                  #28
                  What components in the KFX/IFX will be of US origin?

                  P.S. The Turkish Aerospace thread is no where to be seen.

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                  • EagleSpirit
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 175

                    #29
                    The Engines will be the most major subsystem (F414 engines from GE to be produced by Hanwha Aerospace). There are 4 categories components have been put into.
                    1. Total Indigenous Development and Production
                    2. Foreign Development assistance and Indigenous Production
                    3. Licensed Production of Foreign components
                    4. Purchase of Foreign components

                    Here is a list of all known US and UK companies with contracts for the KF-X.
                    US:
                    https://www.utcaerospacesystems.com/...-kf-x-fighter/
                    http://ir.triumphgroup.com/node/9006
                    https://texstars.com/texstars-to-dev...-kf-x-fighter/
                    UK:
                    http://www.oxleygroup.com/news/Oxley...r-KF-X-Fighter
                    http://www.cobham.com/mission-system...stem-contract/
                    https://www.meggitt.com/news/multi-m...raking-system/
                    http://martin-baker.com/2018/03/23/m...t-competition/

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                    • Bayar
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 726

                      #30
                      Originally posted by EagleSpirit View Post
                      The Engines will be the most major subsystem (F414 engines from GE to be produced by Hanwha Aerospace). There are 4 categories components have been put into.
                      1. Total Indigenous Development and Production
                      2. Foreign Development assistance and Indigenous Production
                      3. Licensed Production of Foreign components
                      4. Purchase of Foreign components

                      Here is a list of all known US and UK companies with contracts for the KF-X.
                      US:
                      https://www.utcaerospacesystems.com/...-kf-x-fighter/
                      http://ir.triumphgroup.com/node/9006
                      https://texstars.com/texstars-to-dev...-kf-x-fighter/
                      UK:
                      http://www.oxleygroup.com/news/Oxley...r-KF-X-Fighter
                      http://www.cobham.com/mission-system...stem-contract/
                      https://www.meggitt.com/news/multi-m...raking-system/
                      http://martin-baker.com/2018/03/23/m...t-competition/
                      Based on this it looks like a 4th Gen Aircraft (4.5 Gen) at most. Why not just purchase the F-35?

                      Not much R&D going into the platform by the look of things. I would have thought they would opt for a new engine, composite fuselage, network centricity, internal weapons bays etc.

                      I mean if Turkey can partner up with Rolls-Royce for a new engine why couldnt South Korea. They wont be able to export the KFX without US export certificates...
                      Last edited by Bayar; 1st July 2018, 03:12.

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                      • ananda
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 488

                        #31
                        You begin again bayar..One of your thread is already closed due to your delutional fantasy thinking. Now again you degenerate KFX to your fantasy TFX.

                        Turkey is broke..KFX supported by much healthier economics nation..with much more advance RND than Turkey. You now saying not much RnD ?
                        You know nothing about KFX..stop showing your ignorance with fantasy.
                        KAI doing it on batches..they already prepared more internal bay in next batches..becaused they doing it on realistic approaches not fantasy approach like uou describe on TFX.

                        TFX is the one that should be put to lid..and just stay with buying F-35..as long as US still allowed it..
                        Last edited by ananda; 1st July 2018, 04:11.

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                        • Bayar
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 726

                          #32
                          Originally posted by ananda View Post
                          You begin again bayar..One of your thread is already closed due to your delutional fantasy thinking. Now again you degenerate KFX to your fantasy TFX.

                          Turkey is broke..KFX supported by much healthier economics nation..with much more advance RND than Turkey. You now saying not much RnD ?
                          You know nothing about KFX..stop showing your ignorance with fantasy.
                          KAI doing it on batches..they already prepared more internal bay in next batches..becaused they doing it on realistic approaches not fantasy approach like uou describe on TFX.

                          TFX is the one that should be put to lid..and just stay with buying F-35..as long as US still allowed it..
                          The topic here is not the TFX but rather the KFX.

                          The KFX cannot be a 5th Gen aircraft with a 4th Gen Engine and Fuselage Full Stop

                          P.S come back to me when Turkey reneges on its contracts. I am yet to hear Turkey not being able to pay for its contracts with BAE Systems and Rolls Royce. You still dont understand how Turkey pays for its large ticket items. Perhaps you should google Qatars foreign reserve amounts! https://sputniknews.com/military/201803141062519866-turkey-qatar-increase-military-cooperation/
                          Last edited by Bayar; 1st July 2018, 04:29.

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                          • Bayar
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 726

                            #33
                            The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) has partnered with Korea Aerospace Industries Co. (KAI), a local defense firm, and Indonesia for the project worth 8.8 trillion won (US$7.8 billion).
                            http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news...004000315.html
                            KF-X program budget: US $7.8 billion

                            South Korea will receive some technical support from an Israeli firm for the development of the AESA, a more advanced and sophisticated system which can radiate multiple beams of radio waves at multiple frequencies simultaneously.
                            http://www.ajudaily.com/view/20180629152315731
                            Israeli ToT for AESA Radar

                            The timetable is based on some progress in the KF-X program aimed at manufacturing around 120 advanced fighter jets to replace the Air Force's aging F-4 and F-5 combat planes. The so-called 4.5-generation fighters will be upgraded to have stealth functions, if needed.
                            http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news...004000315.html
                            4.5 Generation Aircraft. Stealth Functions to be added in future. Total Aircraft Planned: 120

                            When compared with European/NATO programs such as the Airbus/Dassault or the BAE/TAI 5th Generation programs they have significantly larger budgets with new engines. The aircraft is also designed from ground up for Low Observability.

                            IMO, South Korea should just procure F-35's or F-15S
                            Last edited by Bayar; 1st July 2018, 13:16.

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                            • BlackArcher
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 3825

                              #34
                              From AW&ST

                              KUALA LUMPUR, SEOUL After a two-year delay, Indonesia has resumed paying for development of the KF-X, according to the fighters manufacturer, Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI).



                              Indonesias defense ministry paid 132 billion won ($118 million) on Jan. 2, the company said. The payment is part of Indonesias 20% share of the estimated development cost: 1.7 trillion won ($1.5 billion) out of a total of 8.7 trillion won.

                              It is likely the payment was made after South Korean defense ministry officials visited Jakarta late last year. No announcements on the KF-X project were made following the visit, however.

                              Indonesia had not paid since early 2017, triggering concerns that it could withdraw from the project, which is known in the Southeast Asian country as the IF-X.

                              Through the latest payment, we can dispel worries about Indonesias potential exit from the project, and we expect the country to actively participate, KAI said in a press release. Following the payment, Indonesia is to send more engineers to South Korea to work in the development process of the KF-X, KAI said.

                              The number will increase to 150 by end of 2019; 72 have been stationed in South Korea since December 2013. Indonesian Aerospace has said up to 200 of its personnel had been sent to South Korea on a rotational basis to work on the project since 2013, though by September 2018 only 28 remained there. It said it needed further government funding to send more personnel to South Korea.

                              KAI did not say whether the payment brought Indonesias contributions up to date.
                              Jakarta has considered opting out of KF-X development, because of funding cost and U.S. export controls that prevent assembly of the fighter in Indonesia; local assembly was a reason for signing up for the program.

                              The U.S. can impose that restriction because it is the source of KF-X components. It is unlikely that South Korea and Indonesia have solved the issue though they could be renegotiating assembly plans.

                              In October 2018 Indonesia said it was renegotiating the financial terms of the project after its local currency depreciated sharply against the U.S dollar. It is not known whether the latest payment was the result of the renegotiations.

                              Indonesia reportedly has planned to buy 50 KF-Xs. South Koreas requirement is for 120. Development of the initial version is supposed to be complete in 2026. With an empty weight above 11 metric tons (24,000 lb.), the fighter is being designed for the eventual incorporation of stealth features.

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                              • XB-70
                                Rank 3 Registered User
                                • May 2018
                                • 136

                                #35
                                Sounds like the program is a complete mess. No way is 2026 realistic if that is the state of the program. Not even for a prototype flight.

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                                • EagleSpirit
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2012
                                  • 175

                                  #36
                                  What part of the article points towards the program being a mess? What is the current state of the program in your view?

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                                  • XB-70
                                    Rank 3 Registered User
                                    • May 2018
                                    • 136

                                    #37
                                    Um...intermittent funding, the drawdown in engineers (which might bounce back), trouble acquiring needed technology...

                                    Granted, not every article paints an accurate picture. But if this one does, and it doesn't straighten out quick, then it's going to be a long road.

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                                    • EagleSpirit
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2012
                                      • 175

                                      #38
                                      1. The funding hasn't impacted the program's progress in any way. The Korean government and KAI have continued funding and the work hasn't stopped, it's just that Indonesia has racked up a 'debt'.
                                      2. The Indonesian engineers aren't responsible for anything crucial, they are there to receive tech transfer and to design Indonesian localization.
                                      3. 'Trouble acquiring needed technology' is exceedingly vague, what is this technology, what is the nature of the trouble, and what will the impact be.

                                      You can't say there are issues without answering these questions.

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                                      • stealthflanker
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Sep 2015
                                        • 810

                                        #39
                                        I myself have doubt on whether 2026 "deadline" can be achieved. It's just natural for rather protracted development of this kind of aircraft. Especially with its technological content and snags in acquiring key technologies (Indonesian news mentioned 4 key technologies like RF-jammers, AESA, IRST's and Targeting Pod). We may have seen demonstrators being made. but still a bit long way until we can see it onboard.

                                        I would expect several first prototypes would fly without radars or full suite of avionics.

                                        The only real enemy here is whether the aircraft can still be made up-to date. according to current threat while being affordable. Once the specifications are frozen, there would almost be no way back.

                                        It would still be a good boost tho. and valuable lesson for Block II.

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