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  • BlackArcher
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    First IAF Rafale RB001 in IAF colors.

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  • stealthflanker
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post

    i'm aware of that spud, but we have to do with available numbers (and ways to compute them).
    Plus regarding to those cost.. there are no real agreeable formula nor methods. Thus a figure of an aircraft may not be comparable... or even same aircraft owned by different country cant be really comparable either.

    I developed an excel spreadsheet that address those cost.. but yeah as i mentioned above. With lack of agreeable formula (mine is based on commercial, which the result seems work on commercial better even when adjusted with typical military use) It's very difficult.

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  • TomcatViP
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    Dassault results first half of 2019 :

    https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...l-release.html

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  • BlackArcher
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    Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
    I doubt that RB001 will have to be involved in any test flight. The training schedule already involves two flight on average per day. Not much time left to even download any "data".
    RB-008, which was the first IAF Rafale to fly, is the designated test aircraft. Will remain in France till the tests for India Specific Enhancements are all completed and then be the last Rafale to be handed over to the IAF.

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  • TomcatViP
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    I doubt that RB001 will have to be involved in any test flight. The training schedule already involves two flight on average per day. Not much time left to even download any "data".

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  • BlackArcher
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    Soon to be a familiar sight over India..freaking potent combo !

    Su-30MKI with Rafale jets during Exercise Varuna 2019.

















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  • BlackArcher
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    RB001- the first IAF Rafale twin seater. Apparently 800 flights are contracted for till January 2021 to support pilot and technician training. My guess is that it also supports testing of the India-Specific Enhancements that were paid for separately as part of the 36 Rafale contract.

    First Indian Rafale at Merignac

    Last edited by BlackArcher; 30th July 2019, 18:29.

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  • TomcatViP
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    Following the recent deployment of a German Air Force A400M in Jordan configured for the first time as a Tanker, Rafale also based in Jordan got refueled from it (link in Fr):

    https://www.capital.fr/economie-poli...lemand-1345558

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by SpudmanWP View Post
    You also have to consider what is included as it can be as little as "just gas" to every item from gas, parts, pilot's wages, his lodging, future upgrades, etc.

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    i'm aware of that spud, but we have to do with available numbers (and ways to compute them).

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  • TomcatViP
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    Hey guys, Angel strikes out again:





    Happy commemoration day to all :back there !

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  • TooCool_12f
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    oui, enfin, c'tait ce qui tait prvu en 2014

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  • RALL
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    Si l'on ajoute tous les cots de fonctionnement ( solde des pilotes...), l'heure de vol d'un Rafale serait de 27.000 euros, selon la loi de finances 2013.
    https://bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com/france...ol-837733.html

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  • TomcatViP
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    You should get a shrink presto amigo to adore my rear end with such fury. Leave that hatreds rhetoric at home, will you or leave this forum where ppl abide to have gentle conversation respectuous of their opinion.

    50% availability is by the way more that some years published number by the French parliament. But let me guess there are no more French valuable like you there...

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  • OPIT
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    Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
    But how you my dear, would know what I am taking that I don't know?
    I'm not the matter at stake here. Considering that an average 50% availability ratio on a daily basis means that half of the entire fleet stay on the ground for a whole year is no more than a cleverly biased interpretation, carefully crafted to fuel you never-ending french bashing rhetoric. In short, you're more a nuisance than an added value.

    Now I'm done with you, 'til next time. Bye.

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  • TooCool_12f
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    the average is not spread among the "50% available", it is the average for the entire fleet...

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  • TomcatViP
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    But how you my dear, would know what I am taking that I don't know?

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  • OPIT
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    Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
    The problem that I see (...)
    The problem is you don't know what you're talking about, as usual.

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  • TomcatViP
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    The problem that I see is that the 275hr are averaged among the rate of available airframe. Let's say that 50% are available (what is somewhat what it is for real), each of those 275hr are spread among 2 Rafale. Hence you have to multiply 137.5hr per 97 airframe and use that to divide the MCO budget.
    I am really sorry, but It should be something around 30k....
    Last edited by TomcatViP; 11th July 2019, 21:14.

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  • Kovy
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    Originally posted by TooCool_12f View Post

    275 hours per plane in 2016, but the cost we see here is in 2018... we can imagine that the number of flying hours is similar, but it is said nowhere
    Well acccording to the same source, it was 250 hrs in 2015
    The MCO cost for 2015 was 343.9 millions for 97 Rafale B/C
    That would be 14,200 Euros per flight hour.

    Keeping the same 250 hrs base for 2014 and 2013, I find about 10,000 Euros per flight hours.
    This 40% increase after 2014 would make sense as it coincides with the begining of Chammal operation in Irak (starting Septembre 2014)
    Last edited by Kovy; 11th July 2019, 00:15.

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  • TooCool_12f
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    Originally posted by Kovy View Post

    In 2016 it was reported by the French air Force that a Rafale was flying (in average) 275 hours/year
    That would mean that the cost of each flight hour is about 15,000 Euros, which is consistent with what we usually read.
    275 hours per plane in 2016, but the cost we see here is in 2018... we can imagine that the number of flying hours is similar, but it is said nowhere

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