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  • Y-20 Bacon
    started a topic Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard

    Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard

    Due to popular demand in the 2017 thread, a new 2018 thread was requested! Lets start fresh!


    some pics from Monsiuer Kovy





  • halloweene
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    just for the pleasure of eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5N...zFiGma-rieH_qI

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by djcross View Post
    Do Switzerland or Finland have access to a secure satellite communication system with Ka or W band transponders? If not, then SATCOM doesn't help.
    Dunno, but ot Syracuse IV yes. Part of the package. You know, all these independence maniacs we are in Europe....

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  • SpudmanWP
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    If they buy the F-35 then they will likely have access to the same network as the US since they opened it up to JSF partners in 2015.

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  • djcross
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    Do Switzerland or Finland have access to a secure satellite communication system with Ka or W band transponders? If not, then SATCOM doesn't help.

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  • SpudmanWP
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    In either case anyone looking to buy the F-35 now will have SATCOM before it's ever delivered.

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by SpudmanWP View Post
    Since the F-35 will have SATCOM before the first Swiss F-35 is to be delivered, it's a non-issue.
    othing to do with switzerland. Finland? Maybe.

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  • eagle1
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    Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
    There is no secured satcom on the Rafale until 2024/2025 with block 4.2. Air International has a series of article on the Rafale F3R* in its June edition coupled with a report on the Gripen E. Quite interesting to read and compare to get a clear picture about who has what or not.

    *as well as future block 4.1&4.2
    Thanx, I'll get one. Interesting to see what are the latest news on the various rafale standards.

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  • SpudmanWP
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    Since the F-35 will have SATCOM before the first Swiss F-35 is to be delivered, it's a non-issue.

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  • halloweene
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    No secured satcom is better than no satcom. They will be ready for finnish and swiss delivery.btwthey take the form of an tilting AESA antenna under the chinee, allowing Rafale to joins Syracuse system whatever its position on the globe or so.

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  • TomcatViP
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    There is no secured satcom on the Rafale until 2024/2025 with block 4.2. Air International has a series of article on the Rafale F3R* in its June edition coupled with a report on the Gripen E. Quite interesting to read and compare to get a clear picture about who has what or not.

    *as well as future block 4.1&4.2
    Last edited by TomcatViP; 2nd June 2019, 12:47.

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  • halloweene
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    your opinion...

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  • SpudmanWP
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    If it's that important, they could activate it at any time via a C2D2 update, just like they did with AGCAS.

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  • FBW
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post



    That is IF you have a "ball aerospace". Maybe you mean a lighter then air airship? The present result is F-35 do not have any satcom. It will come with block4. In itself, it is not redhibitory. No plane is perfect
    Think u missed the point. Ball aerospace is the name of the manufacturer of the satcom node on the F-35. The hardware is present on the aircraft. The issue was a DoD switch to a new constellation of satellites starting around 2009. The protocol was not ready so the use was deferred till block 4. In the hustle and bustle of those years, priority was not satcom. Obviously its not been an issue because theyve not moved up activating the node on the F-35.

    in other words, not an F-35 program issue. It was a satellite issue.

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  • djcross
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post

    That is IF you have a "ball aerospace". Maybe you mean a lighter then air airship? The present result is F-35 do not have any satcom. It will come with block4. In itself, it is not redhibitory. No plane is perfect
    Ball Aerospace is a company which builds stealthy antennas for USAF Gen 5 airplanes. Ball was given the contract for UHF SATCOM antennas which are present on F-35.

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  • TomcatViP
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    I think you are mixing the challenges b/w discrete beyond line of sight communication and broadband (encrypted as an option) satcom.

    To complete missions in denied airspace, pilots need a way to share information securely, without revealing their location to enemy forces. The F-35 has incorporated Northrop Grummans MADL into its missions systems to provide pilots with the ability to connect with other planes and automatically share situational awareness data between fighter aircraft. The MADL is a high-data-rate, directional communications link that allows for the secure transmission of coordinated tactics and engagement for 5th Generation aircraft operating in high-threat environments. The MADL is one of 27 different waveforms in the F-35s communication, navigation and identification (CNI) suite.
    On the same trend, I am not sure that F-35 can interface with Android..

    Source (simply):
    https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities/interoperability
    Last edited by TomcatViP; 1st June 2019, 19:32.

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by TooCool_12f View Post

    obviously french air force does not agree with you, but, hey, what would they know, eh?
    FYI, Every F-35 has a UHF satcom from ball aerospace. The deferment for compatibility was due to DoD switching satellite networks, apparently that constellation was not ready when planning what capabilities the F-35 would have at IOC and got bumped to block 4 as Spud said.
    That is IF you have a "ball aerospace". Maybe you mean a lighter then air airship? The present result is F-35 do not have any satcom. It will come with block4. In itself, it is not redhibitory. No plane is perfect
    Last edited by halloweene; 1st June 2019, 18:59.

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by ActionJackson View Post

    That's Enterprise security 101.
    agree.

    obviously french air force does not agree with you, but, hey, what would they know, eh?
    Don't worry, he know better then anyone else. ust remind me who started odissey dawn before tomahawk salvos (AND those salvos were not avertedt allies?)

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  • TooCool_12f
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    Originally posted by ActionJackson View Post

    It's not like Rafales are going to be needed for any real combat role anyway when there's F-35s in theatre, not for the first week or so. Rafales can play once the far more capable aircraft which aren't already obsolete kick the door down for them.
    obviously french air force does not agree with you, but, hey, what would they know, eh?

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  • FBW
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post
    PS they also have a satcom, what about F-35, they need a pod?
    FYI, Every F-35 has a UHF satcom from ball aerospace. The deferment for compatibility was due to DoD switching satellite networks, apparently that constellation was not ready when planning what capabilities the F-35 would have at IOC and got bumped to block 4 as Spud said.

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