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  • bandua
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    I have been looking for updates on the AESA retrofit for the current RAFALE fleet but couldn't get to any source, nor find much information.
    Is any of the (French) Rafale experts aware of any such links. I understand that current numbers for RAFALE in French service are 143 operational/delivered + 28 scheduled for delivery of which the last 60 were to be delivered with AESA, so that as of today France has 23 to 32 equipped with AESA with 28 coming until 2023 already signed and 30 more expected to come by 2030.
    Is that correct? As I say I couldn't find links on broader upgrades. Thnks in advance.

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    Originally posted by TR1 View Post

    I mean a Russian defense official says "We are waiting for the final engine and are in no rush to induct the Su-57" and the entire Western press spergs out about how the Su-57 is cancelled for the next 6 months.

    People like clickbaity stuff.
    Keep drinking the Russian Cool Aid......

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  • TR1
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    Originally posted by eagle1 View Post
    What I find intersting is that RT and Sputnik are relating this event. It shows that Russia has a clear focus on the rafale to relate stories like that. I am often amazed by their speed to pick even some relatively minor event...Sometimes even faster than some French local media !
    I mean a Russian defense official says "We are waiting for the final engine and are in no rush to induct the Su-57" and the entire Western press spergs out about how the Su-57 is cancelled for the next 6 months.

    People like clickbaity stuff.

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  • TomcatViP
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    Maybe it's because the Russian media are very much infiltrated in the Fr Press.

    I choose to post for once the RT news brief because it was the one that day that gave more details about the "age of the captain". Don't see trough further than that.

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  • eagle1
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    What I find intersting is that RT and Sputnik are relating this event. It shows that Russia has a clear focus on the rafale to relate stories like that. I am often amazed by their speed to pick even some relatively minor event...Sometimes even faster than some French local media !

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  • St. John
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    Well I guess it's prepared him for a Rafale M catapult launch too now.

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  • halloweene
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    Thx to its 5th en security systems, no caualties were reported.

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  • TomcatViP
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    Originally posted by RT news
    A 64-year-old civilian passenger suffered serious back injuries and was hospitalized after being accidentally ejected from a French Air Force Rafale B fighter jet during take-off.



    The incident took place at around 2pm local time on Wednesday at the Saint-Dizier air base in northeastern France during a routine training mission.
    https://www.rt.com/news/454508-civil...h-fighter-jet/

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  • halloweene
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    Did i ever say the EF is a poor plane( i may in the heat of discussion)? I just consider that Rafale is way more versatile.

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  • edi_right_round
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post

    Please stop that. It is ridiculous. EFT has better cilmbing rate? Good. So what? It doesn't change the fact that the climb rate of Rafale is very correct considering its all rounder conception doese it?
    So if Rafale is a better A2G platform so what?Last time i checked the Kinematic performance wasnt a bad thing to have,since all the rest is pretty sound in EF.

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  • OPIT
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post
    Please stop that. It is ridiculous. EFT has better cilmbing rate?
    Cool down. In fact nobody knows, but trolls like to take the officially stated 1000 ft/s minimum climb rate as a maximum value. Convenient, but indeed ridiculous.

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by edi_right_round View Post

    That must be from the Fighter podcast.
    Well for an Uber plane has less rate of climb than Su27 or F-15,not mentioning F-2000 the champ!
    Please stop that. It is ridiculous. EFT has better cilmbing rate? Good. So what? It doesn't change the fact that the climb rate of Rafale is very correct considering its all rounder conception doese it?

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    If, you guys only knew what you sounded like..............

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  • edi_right_round
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post
    Very interesting interview with many data. supercruise mach 1.4, 0to 55k feet in one min. etc.

    https://youtu.be/8Xua3049KJg
    That must be from the Fighter podcast.
    Well for an Uber plane has less rate of climb than Su27 or F-15,not mentioning F-2000 the champ!

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  • SpudmanWP
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    Overheard the next day.....

    I thought it said "lunch"

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  • halloweene
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    Yes. I guess not a high ranked politician (we would know), but a high ranked executive from Rafale group? Happily, the pilot selected the right switch (separed ejection)

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  • TomcatViP
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    Unusual incident involving a Rafale today:

    Civilian passenger gets unexpectedly ejected from Rafale B jet

    The identity of the civilian passenger (who does not belong to the [French] Ministry of Armed Forces) was not publicly disclosed. Journalists or elected officials are often invited to take part in observation flights approved by the Minister, for information and communication purposes.
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    AeroTime.com

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  • FBW
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post
    For those who consider F-358 as a nimble plane. Powerful? Yes. Agile? Just compare. time to bank, roll rate etc.

    https://youtu.be/IgD4QvxhFyU

    Bat turn at 4 mins...

    So as to compare...

    https://youtu.be/NzC_5NTBThs
    Makes me want to recycle my old YouTube Wikipedia stopwatch flight comparison bit. Really Hallow? Your going to plant your flag on comparing flight demos ( one of which is from the heritage flight series, which isnt even a true flight demonstration?) I thought better of you.


    If you want to state the Rafale is more agile, youll get little argument from me (though this seems more apropos for the F-16.net thread where a few members like to state that the F-35 is second only to the F-22 in agility and maneuverability), my suggestion is to re-sign into F-16.net and have it out with them there.

    We have had a rough Idea of the baseline goals for maneuverability on the F-35 for quite some time, Ive heard more than a few pilots discuss their opinion. The overall impression of F-16 like/F-18 like seems to be very well accurate. Inferior to the F-16 in sustained turns and energy retention, superior as an angles fighter with better subsonic acceleration. It slows down quickly and regains energy quickly. As far as roll rate, I strongly disagree with your opinion from what pilots have said, excellent roll and pitch rates.

    Its never going to compare favorably to a slicked off Rafale in certain areas, notably sustaining in the transonic region that was the design goal of most previous generation fighters (F-16, Gripen, MiG-29, F-15), therefore certainly inferior to the Rafale and Typhoon in that respect. As an angles fighter? Id say its quite good, (time to corner speed, nose authority, pitch + high AoA speed braking) and that makes it highly dangerous in the newer agility metrics in this age of all aspect, off boresight AAM missiles.
    Last edited by FBW; 19th March 2019, 20:18.

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  • halloweene
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    For those who consider F-358 as a nimble plane. Powerful? Yes. Agile? Just compare. time to bank, roll rate etc.

    https://youtu.be/IgD4QvxhFyU

    Bat turn at 4 mins...

    So as to compare...

    https://youtu.be/NzC_5NTBThs
    Last edited by halloweene; 19th March 2019, 19:24.

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  • TooCool_12f
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    man... been away for a couple of weeks and...

    but there a couple of nuggets, like:

    Originally posted by ThincanKiller View Post

    because Hammerhead in my time was not qualified as Aerobatics.

    ...

    And yes I have done it hundred of times, not only because I liked it (it's actually quiet fun), but also because it was part of my training, with and instructor or solo on different type of A-Cs, I just fail to understand how it was not part of yours.
    hammerhead was invented as an aerobatic manoeuver.. so if it wasn't aerobatics, it wasn't "in your time", but "in your imagination"... as for you doing it a "hundred of times".. had you ever approached a cockpit with an instructor, you'd never post some of the nonsense you did... you are a liar, pure and simple

    as for DR400 going low speed without stalling manoeuver I talked to you about, it was a "lazy eight" .. which is a succession of high yoyos, basically... one left, one right, one left, and so on.. which, looking from above (or from below) draws an eight. On top of the manoeuver, you don't need to be fast, you can let the aircraft go around nicely, pulling 0.5G and your AoA will stay below the stall limit, and you'll fly it through even if you have a speed way below the "stall speed", given for a 1G level flight, without ever stalling the aircraft or doing anything like "post stall manoeuvering".. obviously, since you never stalled it in the first place.

    The same rule applies to any aircraft: DR400, Rafale, Mirage 2000, F-22, Boeing 747 or the Concorde... (of course, you won't try to do lazy eights in the latter ones... a bit clumsy for such manoeuvering ): you have an AoA value for each aircraft in a particular configuration (flaps down or not, gear down or not, and so on) at which it stalls.. Only the excessive AoA is what makes your aircraft stall.. speed has nothing to do with it... With the combination of AoA and speed you generate lift, which generates acceleration. If you ask more acceleration (Gs), you need to increase lift, by modifying AoA/speed combo, if you as for less acceleration, you decrease lift.. any aircraft can reach as low as 15kts without ever stalling when pulled across the top of a high yoyo, turning at something like 0.2 G maybe, or less.. and if you had been a pilot, especially one with any aerobatic training, you would have known it...

    so, in a couple of words: you're a liar, and a bad one, not even able to get some information as to, at least, sound plausible
    Last edited by TooCool_12f; 16th March 2019, 22:40.

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