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  • TomcatViP
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    #41
    +1

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    • halloweene
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      #42
      LAtest Dassault's ox three. Interestin tidbits about radar future.

      http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae...mg/fox3_19.pdf

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      • Arihant
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        #43
        Thank you Halloween.

        LAtest Dassault's ox three. Interestin tidbits about radar future.

        http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae...mg/fox3_19.pdf
        Where can I access the earlier Fox 3 magazines. The archive section in Publications is absent on the updated Dassault aviation site.

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        • halloweene
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          #44
          http://rafalefan.e-monsite.com/pages...le-rafale.html

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          • Nicolas10
            Senior Member

            #45
            As it had been previously
            the case in Iraq, reconnaissance
            missions were flown first, but
            Rafales soon switched to kinetic
            engagements to disrupt Daesh
            activities in Syria and to support
            Syrian democratic forces.
            Until
            My childhood dream was to be a fighter pilot. Now I'm glad I'm not.

            Nic

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            • Vnomad
              Rank 5 Registered User

              #46
              Does anyone have any photos of a Rafale with AAMs on the centre hardpoint? Like so -

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              • Nicolas10
                Senior Member

                #47
                Those hardpoints are not open yet.

                Nic

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                • eagle1
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                  #48
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                  It was at the time of rafale A although the possibility exists today but has not been cleared.

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                  • djcross
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                    #49
                    Can Mica be ejector launched? Or is it only rail launched?

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                    • eagle1
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                      #50
                      Both

                      Ejector launched under fuselage, rail launch under wings.

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                      • Kovy
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                        #51
                        What is the difference beetwen an old and bad Rafale drawing and a newer and much better one ?
                        A :

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                        Last edited by Kovy; 7th February 2018, 00:21.
                        The Rafale international forum :
                        http://rafale.freeforums.org/

                        Rafale news blog :
                        http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/

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                        • stealthflanker
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                          #52
                          What's the diameter of RBE-2 ?

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                          • eagle1
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                            #53
                            There is no official data regarding RBE2 exacts diameter. The only official statement from industry (in fox three magazine from Dassault) is that there are more than 1000 AESA modules. In a former interview with a Thales employee in the weekly Air & Cosmos, current RBE2 AESA radar was described as similar in performance as the APG-79. You won't find many more official info from the industry or French military. Pictures released are Photoshoped.

                            RBE2 AESA NG is coming and is due to be ready in the 2020's.

                            The DGA oversees a number of research programmes aimed at promoting advanced technologies for the Rafale in the field of sensors, especially for the RBE2 radar, as the Rafale Programme Director explained.“We will soon launch the AESA NG programme, which will supplement the MFA [Multi-Function Array], CARAA [Capacits Accrues pour le Radar RBE2 Antenne Active,enhanced capabilities for the active RBE2 radar] and MELBAA [Modes et Exploitation Large Bande pour l’Antenne Active, wide-band operating modes for the active array] projects in order to help mature technologies to be produced from 2025 for Standard F4.2. “The CARAA demonstrator first flew in late 2015. It is composed of numerous receptors, enabling the creation of radar lobes optimised by advanced calculation techniques to cancel jamming in many directions simultaneously. “The first flight of the MELBAA demonstrator is expected in late 2017. The trials will focus on dedicated types of targets: slowmovers, helicopters, fighters hiding in the Doppler beam, stealth targets etc. Further developments will include interleaved modes that will be further refined thanks to the appearance of a new generation of calculators powerful enough to provide the processing power required to exploit these modes fully.”
                            Last edited by eagle1; 7th February 2018, 13:16.

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                            • Vnomad
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                              #54
                              Originally posted by “stealthflanker”
                              What's the diameter of RBE-2 ?
                              55cm give or take (IIRC).

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                              • mig-31bm
                                Rank 5 Registered User

                                #55
                                Originally posted by stealthflanker
                                What's the diameter of RBE-2 ?
                                Several RBE2 mock up including the one in Thales product card have 838 T/R modules

                                RBE2 product card
                                And Rafale nose cone is similar to F-16 in size. Slightly narrower but it is a round shape while F-16 nose is more oval. Don't forget that the cone is in front of the IRST.
                                Last edited by mig-31bm; 7th February 2018, 17:44.

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                                • halloweene
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                                  #56
                                  And Thales specified several times they were dummies... AND that the number of moules was more or less 1000. But of course counting dots on internet photographies is more credible than Manufacturer's specifications. Same for the 55cms value. The real value is classified so drop 55cms.

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                                  • mig-31bm
                                    Rank 5 Registered User

                                    #57
                                    Originally posted by halloweene
                                    And Thales specified several times they were dummies... AND that the number of moules was more or less 1000. But of course counting dots on internet photographies is more credible than Manufacturer's specifications
                                    Mock up dummy are often the model of the real thing without the internal parts. The dummy fit inside a real Rafale too. Several mock up of the RBE2 all have the same exact modules count down to rivets position. So hard to blame people trusting that than generic statements.

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                                    • eagle1
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                                      #58
                                      Mock up dummy are often the model of the real thing without the internal parts. The dummy fit inside a real Rafale too. Several mock up of the RBE2 all have the same exact modules count down to rivets position. So hard to blame people trusting that than generic statements.
                                      Often but not always the case. Let's take Dassault Aviation official words on page 14 of Fox Three n9 :

                                      http://kovy.free.fr/temp/rafale/pdf/fox3_11.pdf


                                      From 2012,
                                      current electronic scanning
                                      RBE2 radar will be fitted with
                                      a new generation Active
                                      Electronic Scanning Array
                                      which will offer increased
                                      detection range and better
                                      angular coverage in azimuth.
                                      The Thales AESA will prove
                                      ideal for operations with
                                      the Meteor, a long-range
                                      interception missile now being
                                      tested by MBDA. The AESA
                                      radar array will be made up of
                                      more than 1,000 transmitter/receiver
                                      modules
                                      so
                                      that several can fail with no
                                      significant degradation in acuity.
                                      It will further contribute to the
                                      Rafale’s excellent reliability
                                      .
                                      The RBE2’s open architecture
                                      will facilitate upgrading, and
                                      the new AESA array is totally
                                      ‘plug and play’, switching from
                                      the passive to the active array
                                      configuration taking less than
                                      two weeks.
                                      Actualy DSI Hors Srie N6 June/July 2009 page 30 tells exactly 1001 modules. 1425 for the Typhoon by the way.
                                      Last edited by eagle1; 7th February 2018, 19:34.

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                                      • SpudmanWP
                                        Rank 5 Registered User

                                        #59
                                        1425 for the Typhoon by the way.
                                        1620+ for the F-35
                                        "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                                        • Vnomad
                                          Rank 5 Registered User

                                          #60
                                          Originally posted by halloweene
                                          Same for the 55cms value. The real value is classified so drop 55cms.
                                          Err.. the size of the antenna isn't classified. And its entirely independent of the T/R density.

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