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  • SpudmanWP
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    You also have to consider what is included as it can be as little as "just gas" to every item from gas, parts, pilot's wages, his lodging, future upgrades, etc.

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  • Kovy
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    Originally posted by TooCool_12f View Post
    it's crazy that nobody explained to the so-called journalist that such a number has zero meaning... 4.15M for what use? how many hours? if it flew 10 hours on average, the cost is huge.. if it flew 1000 hours for that much, its a bargain... how many hours have all the Rafales flown in 2018?
    In 2016 it was reported by the French air Force that a Rafale was flying (in average) 275 hours/year
    That would mean that the cost of each flight hour is about 15,000 Euros, which is consistent with what we usually read.

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  • TooCool_12f
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post
    Cost of Rafale maintenance (all versions mixed) : 4.15 M / plane /year

    https://www.capital.fr/economie-poli...le-1343688?amp
    it's crazy that nobody explained to the so-called journalist that such a number has zero meaning... 4.15M for what use? how many hours? if it flew 10 hours on average, the cost is huge.. if it flew 1000 hours for that much, its a bargain... how many hours have all the Rafales flown in 2018?

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  • halloweene
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    Cost of Rafale maintenance (all versions mixed) : 4.15 M / plane /year

    https://www.capital.fr/economie-poli...le-1343688?amp
    Last edited by halloweene; 3rd July 2019, 09:49.

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  • halloweene
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    Demo commented by pilot. Some intersting data : during first part of the demo (with a lot of fuel), 360 at 450 Kts, 9 to 9.5g. During the second part, squared (???) loop, up to 10.5g. Still the issues typical to Le Bourget, demo space is small due to Paris and CDG airport.
    https://www.dassault-aviation.tv/the...n-1810-en.html

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  • halloweene
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    Some details about SCAF (in fact future combat system because not only ait). The idea is to create a cloud with infos from every vector (including sergeants on the ground, vehicles etc.) in which each unit can ask for the information they need. The difficulty is in the amount of data to sort and that is where AI is so important. Guess quite similar to some joint US projects. It already exists with new ground vehicles inside "scorpion" project.

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  • halloweene
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    just for the pleasure of eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5N...zFiGma-rieH_qI

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by djcross View Post
    Do Switzerland or Finland have access to a secure satellite communication system with Ka or W band transponders? If not, then SATCOM doesn't help.
    Dunno, but ot Syracuse IV yes. Part of the package. You know, all these independence maniacs we are in Europe....

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  • SpudmanWP
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    If they buy the F-35 then they will likely have access to the same network as the US since they opened it up to JSF partners in 2015.

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  • djcross
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    Do Switzerland or Finland have access to a secure satellite communication system with Ka or W band transponders? If not, then SATCOM doesn't help.

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  • SpudmanWP
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    In either case anyone looking to buy the F-35 now will have SATCOM before it's ever delivered.

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  • halloweene
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    Originally posted by SpudmanWP View Post
    Since the F-35 will have SATCOM before the first Swiss F-35 is to be delivered, it's a non-issue.
    othing to do with switzerland. Finland? Maybe.

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  • eagle1
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    Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
    There is no secured satcom on the Rafale until 2024/2025 with block 4.2. Air International has a series of article on the Rafale F3R* in its June edition coupled with a report on the Gripen E. Quite interesting to read and compare to get a clear picture about who has what or not.

    *as well as future block 4.1&4.2
    Thanx, I'll get one. Interesting to see what are the latest news on the various rafale standards.

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  • SpudmanWP
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    Since the F-35 will have SATCOM before the first Swiss F-35 is to be delivered, it's a non-issue.

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  • halloweene
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    No secured satcom is better than no satcom. They will be ready for finnish and swiss delivery.btwthey take the form of an tilting AESA antenna under the chinee, allowing Rafale to joins Syracuse system whatever its position on the globe or so.

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  • TomcatViP
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    There is no secured satcom on the Rafale until 2024/2025 with block 4.2. Air International has a series of article on the Rafale F3R* in its June edition coupled with a report on the Gripen E. Quite interesting to read and compare to get a clear picture about who has what or not.

    *as well as future block 4.1&4.2
    Last edited by TomcatViP; 2nd June 2019, 12:47.

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  • halloweene
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    your opinion...

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  • SpudmanWP
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    If it's that important, they could activate it at any time via a C2D2 update, just like they did with AGCAS.

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  • FBW
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post



    That is IF you have a "ball aerospace". Maybe you mean a lighter then air airship? The present result is F-35 do not have any satcom. It will come with block4. In itself, it is not redhibitory. No plane is perfect
    Think u missed the point. Ball aerospace is the name of the manufacturer of the satcom node on the F-35. The hardware is present on the aircraft. The issue was a DoD switch to a new constellation of satellites starting around 2009. The protocol was not ready so the use was deferred till block 4. In the hustle and bustle of those years, priority was not satcom. Obviously its not been an issue because theyve not moved up activating the node on the F-35.

    in other words, not an F-35 program issue. It was a satellite issue.

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  • djcross
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    Originally posted by halloweene View Post

    That is IF you have a "ball aerospace". Maybe you mean a lighter then air airship? The present result is F-35 do not have any satcom. It will come with block4. In itself, it is not redhibitory. No plane is perfect
    Ball Aerospace is a company which builds stealthy antennas for USAF Gen 5 airplanes. Ball was given the contract for UHF SATCOM antennas which are present on F-35.

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