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  • halloweene
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jan 2012
    • 4326

    That is whythere will be F4.1 and F4.2 standards. Btw, some fuctions should be available a soon as 2022.

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    • TomcatViP
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Nov 2011
      • 6008

      French FAS conducts 9000km long range Strategic strike demo

      Pour dmontrer qu'ils restent oprationnels aprs plus de 11 heures de vol, les Rafales ont particip un exercice tactique a leur arrive au dessus de la mtropole. Les deux Rafale devaient raliser une mission de pnetration et simuler le tir d'un missile ASMPA tandis que d'autre appareils ayant dcolls de Saint Dizier tentaient de les intercepter.
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      To demonstrate that they remain operational after more than 11 hours of [their return] flight [from the Reunion island], the [two] Rafales took part in a tactical exercise at their arrival above the French mainland. The two aircraft had to carry out a mission of penetration and simulate the firing of an ASMPA missile while other aircraft that took off from Saint Dizier tried to intercept them.
      Pls use ggl translate or another online translator
      Last edited by TomcatViP; 18th January 2019, 03:02.

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      • TomcatViP
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Nov 2011
        • 6008

        Rafale in India: a [half] paid deal

        50% payment completed to this date - milestone achievement for upgrade in 2022 (see the parallel with the F4 schedule (available in 2022)).

        And regarding the overall price (source: Times of India):

        Last edited by TomcatViP; 20th January 2019, 06:56.

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        • XB-70
          Rank 4 Registered User
          • May 2018
          • 279

          They jacked up the costs considerably with their requested "enhancements." I'm assuming they went with an Israeli HMD (vice TopOwl) for integration with Indian indigenous weapons as well as Russian missiles.

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          • halloweene
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2012
            • 4326

            yes and they already had Targo II on their Sukhoi. Symbolgy. Looks unsexy and trivial stuff. It is not.

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            • halloweene
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2012
              • 4326

              Apparently, some 12 more Rafale for Egypt during Macron visit there (i think end of jan) (edit : 27-29)

              EDIIT delayed by 1/2 months
              Last edited by halloweene; 27th January 2019, 10:58.

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              • TomcatViP
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Nov 2011
                • 6008

                Don't stand on the starting block and keep the Champ in the fridge. It won't be signed during the visit as reported by Reuters quoting some officials.

                PARIS (Reuters) - France does not expect Egypt to finalize a deal to buy a further 12 Dassault Aviation-made Rafale fighter jets during President Emmanuel Macrons visit to the North African country next week, an official in the presidents office said.

                Egypt could complete its fleet of Rafale jets in the weeks or months to come but there will not be a signing of contracts during the presidents visit, the official said.
                Source:
                Reuters.com
                Last edited by TomcatViP; 27th January 2019, 00:34.

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                • halloweene
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 4326

                  Yep. Eyt already has a 5billion loan from frenchov. Bank. MoF is not very enthusisastic about ivn them more loans. However, the interestin part is that if they want to use their option, it means that they are satisfied no?

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                  • St. John
                    Rank 4 Registered User
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 568

                    So they agreed to buy jets to secure a loan?

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                    • eagle1
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 1125



                      Great !

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                      • Jackonicko
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 2386

                        How many two seaters are the various export customers taking?

                        It was obviously 16 Rafale DM + 8 Rafale EM when Egypt was taking 24 aircraft, but how about now?
                        It was obviously 6 Rafale DQ + 18 Rafale EQ when Qatar was taking 24 aircraft, but how about now?
                        Do we agree that it was 8 Rafale DH + 28 Rafale EH for India?
                        Do we know the breakdown of Bs and Cs in the most recent French orders? The 28 on order from F4 and the 30 planned.
                        Last edited by Jackonicko; 27th January 2019, 20:39.

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                        • Kovy
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 1462

                          It was obviously 16 Rafale DM + 8 Rafale EM when Egypt was taking 24 aircraft, but how about now?
                          It was obviously 6 Rafale DQ + 18 Rafale EQ when Qatar was taking 24 aircraft, but how about now?
                          AFAIK, Still unknown

                          Do we agree that it was 8 Rafale DH + 28 Rafale EH for India?
                          yes

                          Do we know the breakdown of Bs and Cs in the most recent French orders? The 28 on order from F4 and the 30 planned.
                          5 B, 21 C, 2M (BTW, this is not a new order, these are the last aircrafts of the tranche 4 ordered in 2009 which deliveries are on hold until 2022)

                          The 30 of the tranche 5 are not ordered yet, so we don't know.
                          Last edited by Kovy; 27th January 2019, 21:59.
                          The Rafale international forum :
                          http://rafale.freeforums.org/

                          Rafale news blog :
                          http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/

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                          • Mags76
                            Rank 2 Registered User
                            • Jan 2019
                            • 243

                            Stupid question but bar the obvious (lack of trained aircrew, and less fuel), if countries have a high proportion of two seaters for strike and air defence missions why not go the whole hog and dispense with single seaters totally?

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                            • halloweene
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 4326

                              How many two seaters are the various export customers taking?

                              It was obviously 16 Rafale DM + 8 Rafale EM when Egypt was taking 24 aircraft, but how about now?
                              It was obviously 6 Rafale DQ + 18 Rafale EQ when Qatar was taking 24 aircraft, but how about now?
                              Do we agree that it was 8 Rafale DH + 28 Rafale EH for India?
                              Do we know the breakdown of Bs and Cs in the most recent French orders? The 28 on order from F4 and the 30 planned.

                              The indain RAfale are called BR (Bharat Rafale). First to fly was BR008 and will be the last delivered. First delivery is scheduled on september.

                              Stupid question but bar the obvious (lack of trained aircrew, and less fuel), if countries have a high proportion of two seaters for strike and air defence missions why not go the whole hog and dispense with single seaters totally?
                              Not stupid. The answer is doctrina. backseat is there to bring in a second human mind to help on some functions. It is not necessary to have 2 seaters only (and they are more expensive)
                              Last edited by halloweene; 28th January 2019, 14:05.

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                              • Kovy
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 1462

                                Stupid question but bar the obvious (lack of trained aircrew, and less fuel), if countries have a high proportion of two seaters for strike and air defence missions why not go the whole hog and dispense with single seaters totally?
                                Back in the early 2000, the French air force was thinking about buying 2 seaters only. Then they realised that the simplicity of flying the a/c and the new MMI/sensor fusion decreased the need for a WSO in several missions.
                                Then there is of course the higher fly away price and maintenance costs of the 2-seater...
                                The Rafale international forum :
                                http://rafale.freeforums.org/

                                Rafale news blog :
                                http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/

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                                • eagle1
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Feb 2011
                                  • 1125

                                  I am looking for the chart of the rafale F4 with the conformal antennas. I remember someone has posted it somewhere on Keypub but I can't find it. I'll be gratefull if someone post it here !

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                                  • halloweene
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jan 2012
                                    • 4326

                                    you found it. Latest version from early 2018.

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                                    • eagle1
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Feb 2011
                                      • 1125

                                      Yes, thx for the pdf !

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                                      • halloweene
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jan 2012
                                        • 4326

                                        Some news from FCAS/SCAF

                                        http://www.portail-aviation.com/blog...s-concepteurs/

                                        english version clickable on it ("the restless technophile)


                                        Notice :

                                        Breton: Le Rafale va bnficier des radars tuiles, et dune mise niveau en connectivit pour lintgrer au SCAF. Nous introduirons des Remote carrier rapidement pour pouvoir les exprimenter en opration. Nous intgrerons aussi de lIA dans le Rafale vers 2025.
                                        Please somone posts the english version on F-16 so as to see reactions. Will be fun.
                                        Last edited by halloweene; 2nd February 2019, 15:58.

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                                        • gosnold
                                          Rank 3 Registered User
                                          • May 2018
                                          • 3

                                          Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                                          Some news from FCAS/SCAF

                                          http://www.portail-aviation.com/blog...s-concepteurs/

                                          english version clickable on it ("the restless technophile)
                                          Direct link to the English version:
                                          https://therestlesstechnophile.com/2...its-designers/

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