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  • halloweene
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    • Jan 2012
    • 4350

    F-35 (and furthermore B) cou:d fill as a specific niche. Much depends on FCAS DP progress i guess.

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    • Kovy
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      • Apr 2004
      • 1465

      This is the Rafale thread. Let's keep it that way.

      Chesapeake episode 1


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      The Rafale international forum :
      http://rafale.freeforums.org/

      Rafale news blog :
      http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/

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      • eagle1
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        • Feb 2011
        • 1125

        Serge Dassault is dead at the age of 93 at his office in Paris.

        https://www.ft.com/content/8beeca0c-...2-9563a0613e56

        Amazing that a company like Dassault is still mostly a familly run business, good old fashioned business model. What a contrast with other manufacturer.


        Serge Dassault, the billionaire French defence industrialist and politician, has died at his office in Paris aged 93.

        Mr Dassault who had headed a sprawling business empire that included a controlling stake in Dassault Aviation, maker of the Rafale fighter jet suffered a heart attack at the groups Paris headquarters on Monday.

        The Dassault family is saddened to announce the death of Mr Serge Dassault, today, May 28, 2018, in the afternoon, at his office at the Champs-lyses Roundabout Marcel-Dassault, following a heart attack at the age of 93, said his family in a statement published on the website of French conservative newspaper Le Figaro, which is owned by the group.

        French president Emmanuel Macron said after the news: In Serge Dassault, France lost a man who devoted his life to developing a flagship of French industry.

        Mr Dassault was a conservative politician, former French senator and head of one of Frances great industrial families.

        He was chief executive of the family holding company Groupe Industriel Marcel Dassault, which has a 62 per cent stake in Dassault Aviation and through that a 25 per cent stake in French defence electronics group Thales. The company also owns a winery, Chteau Dassault, and Artcurial, the auction house.

        According to Le Figaro, leading up to his death Serge Dassault had never thought of retiring and came to the office every day. In recent months, he had a little lightened his schedule.

        Nicolas Sarkozy, the former French president, said: With the disappearance of Serge Dassault, France loses a great industrialist, the world of aviation a pioneer, public opinion a great boss of the press, and I, more simply, a friend.

        Although undeniably successful in his own right, Mr Dassault was often compared to his powerful father, with whom he had a difficult relationship.

        He was the son of the industrialist Marcel Bloch, who survived the Nazi concentration camps and changed his name to Dassault after the war. His father founded the aircraft company Dassault and helped it flourish thanks to his connections with the French state.

        Dassault was the alias of Marcels brother when he was part of the French resistance.

        Serge Dassault, as group patriarch, had courted controversy even as his expansion of his familys business empire since taking the helm gave him influence in politics and the defence sector.

        Last year, Mr Dassault was found guilty of fraud by a Paris court after failing to fully disclose his wealth to the tax authorities. He was fined 2m and handed a five-year ban from public office. He had been appealing against the decision.

        He had previously been stripped of the mayorship of Corbeil-Essonne in 2009 after Frances highest administrative court found he had provided gifts to voters that could have affected the outcome of his election.

        Mr Dassault had admitted using his immense fortune he was the fifth richest man in France with a fortune of more than 20bn according to Challenges magazine to help people and organisations in Corbeil-Essonne. However, he always denied that any of that help was given in return for electoral support.

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        • djcross
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          • Jan 2000
          • 5467

          Serge Dassault is dead at the age of 93 at his office in Paris.
          Heart attack. RIP.

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          • halloweene
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            • Jan 2012
            • 4350

            Already posted somewhere... For the sake of information, at one moment, the pilot is saying to the journalist that they had reached mach 1.7 (if you look at the video, with 3 tanks). Conclusion of Ric "kiddo" nunes (on F-16) : the video is edited
            Last edited by halloweene; 8th June 2018, 20:45.

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            • halloweene
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              • Jan 2012
              • 4350

              This mmorning, RSD (Rafale Solo Display) did a quick pass at Mach Loop. Be ready for avalanche of photos.
              Last edited by halloweene; 11th June 2018, 11:27.

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              • halloweene
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                • Jan 2012
                • 4350

                Sorry WAS to do, but was canceled by UK flight safety agency (dunno why)

                Aother Cosford... Another Trophy for Rafale... https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...33&oe=5BB555F1

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                • skeeler
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 145

                  This is how the Rafale won the RAF Cosford trophy - superb!
                  https://youtu.be/X9-p6zfsYqI

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                  • eagle1
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                    • Feb 2011
                    • 1125

                    https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises...de-784460.html

                    24 more rafales for Egypt likely after the visit of Egyptian Mindef in Paris.

                    According to La Tribune, the ITAR issue with the Scalp missiles has been solved. 1) US agreed not to block the sale anymore after discreet negociations during last French president visit to the US 2) Work is underway so that the SCALP will be fully ITAR free

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                    • Loke
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                      • Jun 2008
                      • 3302

                      Dassault Aviation, in its 2018 first half-yearly financial release statement stated that the company has a backlog of 111 Rafale fighter jets as of June 30, 2018.
                      Full story: http://www.defenseworld.net/news/230...s#.W1Hd9fZuJD8

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                      • eagle1
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 1125

                        Option taken from Qatar for 36 more rafales on top of the 24 already ordered :

                        Le Qatar a galement pris une nouvelle option pour 36 appareils de plus.
                        http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2018...ut-avancer.php

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                        • Sintra
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                          • Aug 2007
                          • 3851

                          Originally posted by eagle1 View Post
                          Option taken from Qatar for 36 more rafales on top of the 24 already ordered :



                          http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2018...ut-avancer.php
                          No, Qatar signed a contract in 2015 for 24 Rafales, a second one in 2017, for 12 Rafales, that brings the total to 36. When they signed this second batch Qatar signaled that another batch of 36 could be bought, that possibility has not been taken till now.
                          Mind you, the Qataris have signalled options for more Rafales, Phoons and Eagles... Strange chaps.

                          Cheers
                          Last edited by Sintra; 20th July 2018, 17:24.
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                          • TooCool_12f
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 3323

                            not so strange if one considers that, beyond buying aircraft, they're buying influence...

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                            • mil
                              mil
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Dec 2015
                              • 40

                              Qatar is having some issues financing a Typhoon purchase, so I wonder what the means for the Eagle and Rafale orders?

                              https://www.thenational.ae/world/fig...-trip-1.753294

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                              • Vnomad
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                                • May 2011
                                • 2859

                                Originally posted by Sintra View Post
                                Mind you, the Qataris have signalled options for more Rafales, Phoons and Eagles... Strange chaps.
                                To think just a few years ago, the QEAF used to consist of just 12 Mirages.. which it was trying to offload to another operator.

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                                • swerve
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jun 2005
                                  • 13612

                                  It's puzzling that Qatar wants to pay for the Typhoons with a loan. It's reckoned to have plenty of reserves.
                                  Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                                  Justinian

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                                  • TomcatViP
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Nov 2011
                                    • 6125

                                    Loans at a good Rate might look attractives when you need to keep some hard currencies. It's also a political bargain in times of crisis (lender will favorably see no future but with you in power).

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                                    • TooCool_12f
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2009
                                      • 3323

                                      Qatar is having some issues financing a Typhoon purchase, so I wonder what the means for the Eagle and Rafale orders?

                                      https://www.thenational.ae/world/fig...-trip-1.753294
                                      not necessarily much... with loan costs so low as today, they may simply find more interesting to borrow some cash for almost nothing and let their own cash generate profit (higher than what the loan cost them)

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                                      • TomcatViP
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Nov 2011
                                        • 6125

                                        High flying Rafales go supersonic over rural France


                                        3 Supersonic bangs were heard on the 7th of August around 11:30 am shaking walls and windows […] "Both planes flew at 50k ft, well above airlines corridors were they are allowed to do this" comments the AdlA
                                        odd

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                                        • TomcatViP
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Nov 2011
                                          • 6125

                                          India: a rafale of protests for the Rafale

                                          100 organisations said to set protests across India
                                          Last edited by TomcatViP; 6th October 2018, 17:58.

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