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    Originally posted by BlackArcher View Post

    Most of which are not going to be in service in the 2020s for sure. And some of which will only start appearing in service in the 2030s or 2040s.
    Point is current and future fighters now in development. Will all incorporate large internal fuel loads.

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    Originally posted by OPIT View Post

    Funny, you still can't get it right. That's a mandatory by-product of stealth designs, not a primary goal for everyday uses.
    Who said it was???

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  • BlackArcher
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    Originally posted by Scooter View Post

    Funny, most of the current and future 5th and 6th Generation Fighters will include large internal fuel volumes.....(TFX, KFX, Tempest, NGF, PCA, NGAD, etc.)
    Most of which are not going to be in service in the 2020s for sure. And some of which will only start appearing in service in the 2030s or 2040s.

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  • St. John
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    I think we may have veered a little off-topic here. In fact this belongs in the historic aviation section.

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  • topspeed
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    Originally posted by Sintra View Post

    Plus the De Havilland Hornet and the Supermarine Spiteful.
    If we are talking about heavily modified aircrafts (and i believe that topspeed got tricked by "Rare Bear", once upon a time the record holder for fastest piston aircraft), that would be "Voodoo", a P-51.
    http://www.roadkill.com/mustang-550-...airplane-ever/
    Sorry they didn't quite make it. You have to best the old record by 1 %.

    For instance Heinkel He-100D V8 was surpassed by Me-209R by 1,7% !

    F8F-2 is the fastest; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaiekUo-j3g
    Last edited by topspeed; 18th February 2019, 17:50.

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  • Sintra
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    Originally posted by Cream View Post

    In fact the Hawker Sea Fury, the Do 335 and i think even the Hawker Tempest was faster.
    Plus the De Havilland Hornet and the Supermarine Spiteful.
    If we are talking about heavily modified aircrafts (and i believe that topspeed got tricked by "Rare Bear", once upon a time the record holder for fastest piston aircraft), that would be "Voodoo", a P-51.
    http://www.roadkill.com/mustang-550-...airplane-ever/
    Last edited by Sintra; 18th February 2019, 17:09.

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  • Cream
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    Originally posted by topspeed View Post

    That is right...fattish looking F8F-2 is the fastest piston driven aircraft..for instance.
    In fact the Hawker Sea Fury, the Do 335 and i think even the Hawker Tempest was faster.

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  • TomcatViP
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    Originally posted by moon_light View Post
    There is one exception, Gripen C
    That is correct.

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  • halloweene
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    It is crazy. I kust post a nice video for the pleasure and instantly it becomes a battle...

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  • OPIT
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    Originally posted by Scooter View Post

    Funny, most of the current and future 5th and 6th Generation Fighters will include large internal fuel volumes.....(TFX, KFX, Tempest, NGF, PCA, NGAD, etc.)
    Funny, you still can't get it right. That's a mandatory by-product of stealth designs, not a primary goal for everyday uses.

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  • moon_light
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    Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
    As I said earlier also, the Rafale too see an increased in fuel fraction regarding its earlier gen sibling, the Mirage.
    There is one exception, Gripen C

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  • TomcatViP
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    As I said earlier also, the Rafale too see an increased in fuel fraction regarding its earlier gen sibling, the Mirage 2000.

    EC 5/25 Corsair : the poor choice stands in the imperative form...

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    Originally posted by OPIT View Post

    You're welcome in this dream world. If a large internal fuel volume was such a huge benefit then everyone would build fatter fighters.
    Funny, most of the current and future 5th and 6th Generation Fighters will include large internal fuel volumes.....(TFX, KFX, Tempest, NGF, PCA, NGAD, etc.)

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  • FBW
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    Abiyt 10g+ during demo, it is wel documented from the cvery pilots that do it....
    Keep praying your Atlantic puffin...
    Only one thing true in your statements. Rafale FCS limit plane to 30. And it is a tactical choice. During tests it was seen at 110, -20 Kts
    halloweene
    what is this obsession with Rafale flight demonstration G?

    every single G demand FCS allows momentary over-G. Any 9G rated aircraft can pull in excess of 9G for brief periods. No manufacturer wants to have to explain why a pilot augered into the side of Mt. Blanc with collision avoidance warnings blaring because the FCS only allowed a 9G pull up when 10 would have saved the pilot (hyperbole). There is play in these FCS control laws in certain maneuvers.

    The only thing this this shows is something most of us have noticed in European flight demonstrations for some time..... they are allowed a lot more leeway and fun than the US demo teams that are highly scripted and dont allow any 9G maneuvers as part of normal demos. Does not change the fact that ALL aircraft with modern FCS are governed by weight, external loads, asymmetric loads in regard to G, pitch, and roll rates.

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  • eagle1
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    Another in cockpit video, great sense of agility and speed due to the Wide fireld of view of the camera. Starts at 1min

    Last edited by eagle1; 17th February 2019, 21:15.

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  • EC 5/25 Corsair
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    a domain where wings doesn't provide any lift... hence where there is no Alpha.
    Just avoid poorly choosing words then?

    Not on a rock. But on a post-stall capable aircraft, it is.

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  • TomcatViP
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    Not stupid. Irrelevant...
    When you throw a rock, do you care about the Alpha?

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  • EC 5/25 Corsair
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    Because on a classical airfoil on a classical aircraft with no post-stall capability, there's no point in getting CL data way beyond the stall AoA.

    Your claim that alpha as a physical quantity doesn't exist after stall remains strikingly stupid.
    Last edited by EC 5/25 Corsair; 17th February 2019, 21:05.

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  • TomcatViP
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    @EC 5/25 Corsair : yes, "what the hell?".... Why isn't the Pirate's AoA increase beyond 25 being plotted on your Wiki curve... Oh, wait

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  • topspeed
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    Originally posted by St. John View Post
    People have been building fatter fighters ever since WWI.
    That is right...fattish looking F8F-2 is the fastest piston driven aircraft..for instance.
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