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  • Cream
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Feb 2011
    • 250

    Or maybe Rafale is more efficient than for ex. F-35?
    What ! Stop this immediately!

    The (operational) F-35 has just demonstrate his undisputed stealthy capability on the field during this operation.

    (C'mon we can joke )

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    • Nicolas10
      Senior Member
      • May 2005
      • 4523

      Or some or all were Rafale Ms, which only carry 1 on centreline for roll stability reasons.
      If I remember correctly, the Rafale M carries one because of bring back weight reasons, nothing to do with roll stability.

      I reckon the naval Typhoon has far superior roll capabilities though.

      Nic

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      • St. John
        Rank 4 Registered User
        • Jan 2018
        • 568

        St John: there is a video of the takeoff:
        But did they all launch from land, I don't know. It would make sense of the odd number or missiles, that's all. Maybe they only needed 9 and one took off from land with just 1.

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        • TooCool_12f
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Dec 2009
          • 3314

          But did they all launch from land, I don't know. It would make sense of the odd number or missiles, that's all. Maybe they only needed 9 and one took off from land with just 1.
          they had to.. Charles De Gaulle is still in repairs if I'm not mistaken so they could not launch from it

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          • TomcatViP
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Nov 2011
            • 6047

            there was a weapon failure: one of the Scalp had to be dropped. Equally concerning, 3 out of 6 planed sea launched cruise missiles didn't fire due to a weapon system mal-function. A reboot was needed and once everything was ready again no more missile could be fired as the launch window was closed.

            Air launched Scalp failure:
            Sur les dix missiles Scalp-EG prvus, seuls neuf sont partis , reconnat l'arme de l'air, jointe par nos soins mercredi soir, confirmant officiellement des doutes partags ds samedi par quelques observateurs. Est-ce d au missile ou l'avion ? Nous ne le savons pas, et des analyses techniques sont en cours pour dterminer l'origine de l'incident de tir , prcise l'arme. Chaque Rafale emportait deux missiles, et l'un d'eux n'a donc russi en tirer qu'un. Toutefois, l'ensemble des cibles dtermines a t trait avec les autres missiles, assurent les militaires.

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            "Out Of the ten Scalp-EG missiles planned, only nine were fired," admits the Air Force, joined by us Wednesday night, officially confirming doubts shared by a few observers Saturday. "Is it due to the missile or the plane? We do not know, and technical analysis is underway to determine the origin of the shooting incident, "said the army. Each Rafale carried two missiles, and one of them managed to fire only one. However, "all targets have been dealt with" with other missiles, say the military.
            Sea launched failure:
            la Marine nationale a elle aussi reconnu avoir eu des problmes pour tirer ses missiles de croisire navals (MdCN) depuis ses frgates multimissions FREMM (dont il aurait fallu redmarrer le systme informatique, une opration qui aurait fait dpasser le temps imparti pour respecter le crneau de tir). Seuls trois des six MdCN prvus avaient pu tre tirs. C'tait le baptme du feu pour ces missiles de nouvelle gnration, qui font entrer la France dans le club ferm des pays disposant de missiles de croisire embarqus sur des btiments de guerre

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            the French Navy has also admitted to having had problems getting its naval cruise missiles (MdCN) from its FREMM multi-mission frigates (it would have been necessary to restart the computer system, an operation which would make the passage of time allotted to respect the niche of shoot). Only three of the six MdCNs were drawn for firing. It was the baptism of fire for these new generation missiles, which bring France into the closed club of cruise missile countries embarked on the warships
            Source:
            Le point.fr
            Last edited by TomcatViP; 18th April 2018, 21:18.

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            • St. John
              Rank 4 Registered User
              • Jan 2018
              • 568

              they had to.. Charles De Gaulle is still in repairs if I'm not mistaken so they could not launch from it
              I thought I heard something about some using US carriers though.
              https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/fren...on-us-carrier/

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              • FBW
                FBW
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Dec 2011
                • 3291

                USS H.W. Bush is in a working up period. The French contingent is in carrier qualifications on the ship (or were). The ship just arrived in the UK for an exercise.

                The Truman is on its way to the Med, there was no carrier in the area at the time of the strike. Someone must have forgotten to tell a certain world leader before he lit up Twitter. Not often that there are no carriers in: Med, Red sea, or Gulf in recent years. Consequence of having 9 carriers available (1 in RCOH and 1 undergoing PSA and not going to deploy for 2+ years)
                Last edited by FBW; 19th April 2018, 00:42.

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                • Kovy
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 1465

                  Or some or all were Rafale Ms, which only carry 1 on centreline for roll stability reasons.
                  No Rafale M was part in that mission.
                  According to the Mindef, 1 of the 10 scalps failed to launch.
                  The Rafale international forum :
                  http://rafale.freeforums.org/

                  Rafale news blog :
                  http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/

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                  • TomcatViP
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 6047

                    read above.

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                    • EC 5/25 Corsair
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 129

                      It was jettisoned in the water.

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                      • halloweene
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 4335

                        USS H.W. Bush is in a working up period. The French contingent is in carrier qualifications on the ship (or were). The ship just arrived in the UK for an exercise.

                        The Truman is on its way to the Med, there was no carrier in the area at the time of the strike. Someone must have forgotten to tell a certain world leader before he lit up Twitter. Not often that there are no carriers in: Med, Red sea, or Gulf in recent years. Consequence of having 9 carriers available (1 in RCOH and 1 undergoing PSA and not going to deploy for 2+ years)
                        Yes, but it should be compensated by UK/Fr carriers most of the time. CdG is no quaoified as fleet commander (flagship) and i guess Prince of Wales will also. Not enough said about the work of that trilateral commission.

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                        • TomcatViP
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 6047



                          from early April.




                          You can view the press brief here on Youtube
                          Last edited by TomcatViP; 21st April 2018, 21:30.

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                          • Jackonicko
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 2386

                            Details of units, etc. (and even serials/codes) for most of the aircraft involved in the Syrian attacks seem to be known.

                            Does anyone know which Rafales and Mirages were involved, or what unit the pilots were from?

                            And what was the breakdown between single- and two-seaters?

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                            • EC 5/25 Corsair
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 129

                              breakdown is 1 singe seater (C) + 4 dual (B), from the 4th fighter wing (I don't know about specific squadrons)
                              the 4 Mirage 2000-5F were from the 2nd fighter wing, fighter squadron 1/2 Cigognes (Storks), pure air superiority unit.

                              both AWACS were from the 36th C2 wing Berry, and the tankers from AAR squadron 2/91 Bretagne.

                              these nuts folks that call themselves spotters ( ) probably know more about specific serials, maybe look into Scramble.nl ?
                              Last edited by EC 5/25 Corsair; 23rd April 2018, 18:15.

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                              • Jackonicko
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 2386

                                Thanks EC 5/25.

                                Wonder why one C was used?

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                                • TomcatViP
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Nov 2011
                                  • 6047

                                  Discrete long range navigation in conjunction with the AWACs (2x) and C135 FR (6x)

                                  Have a look here, a media report with similarly codded B airframe (FAS - Strategic forces)

                                  Last edited by TomcatViP; 25th April 2018, 12:54.

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                                  • TomcatViP
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Nov 2011
                                    • 6047

                                    French Rafales in Oceana will fly over Norfolk today

                                    It is the first time the French and US Navies have trained together like this in ten years.

                                    The French are fired up, 'to see how the U.S. aviation is training, so that we can try to take what's good from it, and we try also to show them we know how to work too," said French Naval Air Force pilot, Commander Marc, who asked that we not use his last name.

                                    Their American counterparts are equally enthused.

                                    "I've been active duty for 18 years and this is the first time I've got a chance to do something like this," said CDR Kevin Chlan, commanding officer of VFA-31.

                                    "We get to focus on working on a person to person basis, whether that our pilots, NFO's or maintainers, just kind of passing share experiences and learning," said CDR Christian Goodman, commanding officer of VAW-124.

                                    "To have an opportunity to have the French Navy come over and improve our ability to fight alongside them is not lost on me how significant that is, and what a wonderful opportunity that is," said CAPT Jim McCall, commander of Carrier Air Wing 8.

                                    The public can see the French jets for themselves with a pair of flyovers over the next two days. The first fly-over is scheduled Thursday a little after 5 p.m. over Norfolk Scope following the NATO festival flag raising.
                                    Also:
                                    “The Rafale, once I go up and fight it, it’s a fast aircraft,” he said. “It’s got a very good thrust-to-weight ratio. We’re not used to seeing some of the speeds they operate at. The Super Hornet is is a great maneuverable aircraft and we see some advantages when we fight them.”

                                    Ultimately, Chlan said, it’s helpful to train against different aircraft and pilots and learn from their tactics.

                                    “It’s personally very satisfying to go out and do something different,” he said. “It’s cool to go out and see them off your wing.”
                                    Source:
                                    13news now.com
                                    The daily Press.com
                                    Last edited by TomcatViP; 26th April 2018, 19:06.

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                                    • halloweene
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2012
                                      • 4335

                                      “It’s cool to go out and see them off your wing.”
                                      In the end the most important sentence (for both sides)

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                                      • TomcatViP
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Nov 2011
                                        • 6047

                                        feeling grumpy tonight?

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                                        • halloweene
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Jan 2012
                                          • 4335

                                          Yes i was, (doc did not want to give me back license for both diving and piloting due to a small stroke 2 years agot) but i think this comment was quite the opposite.
                                          Last edited by halloweene; 27th April 2018, 18:52.

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