Build an air force with aircraft produced from a non UN permanent 5 members

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like the other thread but harder.

build an air force using aircraft manufactured by companies based in countries that are not the permanent 5 UN security council members.
that means no US, UK, French, Russian, or PRC aircraft.
also no license built aircraft where the original design is from those 5
but to make it easier, its okay if the plane has some parts from the big 5 (engines, radar, etc).

air force size, location is any you want.

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250 x SAAB Gripen NG (Sweden)
25x SAAB 340 AEW&C (Sweden)
20 x Aselsan Airborne Stand-off Jammer (SOJ) System (Turkey)

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Italy + Sweden: you get Gripen and Aew&C planes from the latter, AMX, C-27J , all Aermacchi trainers and all the helicopters than you would need (+ something more) by Augusta Westland from the former.
Plus Selex and Ericsson for avionics.
And Staffan de Mistura as an added bonus...

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Basically anything from Sweden, Italy, Spain (casa), Brazil, India, Indonesia, Switzerland...

BTW how would you view the KAI T-50? It is a design specific to a korean requirement, by a US company. The M-349 is basically a Russian design so how would you see this too.

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Basically anything from Sweden, Italy, Spain (casa), Brazil, India, Indonesia, Switzerland...

BTW how would you view the KAI T-50? It is a design specific to a korean requirement, by a US company. The M-349 is basically a Russian design so how would you see this too.

In the case that they are the original customer and they got the full data, full control of the production process and the complete liberty of further developments, they certainly can be put into IMHO.

M-346 is more clear situation, at the beginning it was an joint venture and after some times they decided to part way in the friendliest of terms so to finalize the design separately using respectively eastern and western components.

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for a country like the Benelux. :)

Fixed Wing

Fighters
58 x JAS 39C Gripen
12 x JAS 39D Gripen

Trainers
14 x Aermacchi M.346
15 x Pilatus PC-21
10 x Grob G 120TP

and let us not forget the coast guard
3 x Dornier Do-228NG
3 x PZL W-3WARM Anakonda

Transport
5 x Embraer KC-390
10 x Alenia C-27J Spartan
4 x PZL M28 Skytruck

VIP Transport
1 x Embraer E190-E2
2 x Embraer ERJ 145

EW
4 x CASA C-295 AEW&C
2 x CASA C-295 Sigint

ASW/Patrol
8 x CASA C-295MPA

UAV
15 x Elbit Hermes 900
12 x Thales Watchkeeper WK450

Helicopters

Attack
30 x Agusta A129 International

Transport
20 x AgustaWestland AW101
20 x AgustaWestland AW139
20 x AgustaWestland AW109S Grand

VIP Transport
2 x AgustaWestland AW609

ASW
22 x AgustaWestland AW159

UAV
10 x Schiebel Camcopter S-100

Coast Guard
4 x Dornier Do-228NG
4 x PZL W-3WARM Anakonda

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Fighters

120 Gripen 100 C's & 20 D's

Trainers

30 Grob 120TP
20 EMB 314 Super Tucano
20 M-346
20 AW-109 Helicopter

Transport

16 KC-390 (with A2A refuelling)
16 CN-235 100m

MPA

10 CN-235 MPA

AEW

8 SAAB 2000 AEW&c

Helicopter

40 AW-149

SAR

15 AW-189

VIP

Bombardier CS-300

Air-Force Regiment

6 force protection Squadrons
3 Air-defence Squadrons

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like the other thread but harder.....air force size, location is any you want.

Mauritius

With Chagos ruling onside Mauritius decides to take a more active role in its neighbourhood. Defence budget hoiked up to 1% GDP. Permanent airforce established.

Deal with Leonardo for new MPA/Coastal surveillance capability:
3 no. ATR-42MP
12 no. Falco/Gabbiano UAV

Inquiry with Fábrica Argentina de Aviones for new build Maritime/Light strike:
9 no. IA-58D Pucara Modernized

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botswana

Botswana Defence Force Air Wing

in june 2016 the country has confirmed negotiations to buy between 8 and 12 Gripen C/D units at a potential cost of $1.7 billion. but after much deliberation it is decided that gripens are actually too advanced for the requirements of BDF air wing. the available budget of $1.7 billion would be used to modernise the whole air wing instead.

brazil
- 3 kc-390 to replace the c-130b ($300 million)
- 12 emb-314 super tucano ($220 million)
- 1 emb-135bj legacy 650 vip to replace the gulfstream iv ($34 million)

korea
- 12 kai fa-50bw fighter aircaft to replace the cf-5a/d ($500 million)

switzerland
- 6 pilatus pc-24 utility jet to replace beech 200 king air. 2 to be fitted with ISR equipments ($80 million)
- additional 7 pc-7 mkII to add to the current 5 ($40 million)

italy
- 10 leonardo aw139 helicopter to replace bell 412 ($160 million)
- 12 leonardo aw009 (pzl sw-4) to replace as350 ($15 million)
- 16 tecnam p2010 basic trainer/liaison/border patrol ($6 million)

a total spend of $1.4 billion.

There you have it, a thoroughly modernised air force for less cost than the proposed saab gripen buy.

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Uruguayan Air Force

Trainers
5 PC-7
5 SF-260

Transport

2 KC-390
2 CN-235-100M
4 C-212

MPA

3 CN-235 MPA/SAR

Helicopters

5 AW-149 Transport/ SAR

fixed wing light Attack

12 TA-50