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  • Austin
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    Good Report by Vishnu Som/NDTV on ex PitchBlack

    Video: Exercise Pitch Black 2018: Indian Sukhoi Fighters Over Australia
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    • BlackArcher
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      IAF Mirage-2000I/TI upgrade details. Upgrade should be completed for the entire fleet by 2021. IAF is also getting 2 Mirage-2000 trainers from France as part of the package along with 33 retired Jaguars. the Mirages should likely be put through the same upgrade and join the fleet as flying assets.

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      • halloweene
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        @blackarcher Never used any ocr, so if someone can, i'm interested.

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        • BlackArcher
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          SAAW PGM is very close to be inducted into the IAF after its eighth round of successful tests using different mission profiles. Will give the IAF an indigenous and affordable PGM that can be carried in large numbers by pretty much all of its platforms.

          HELINA also is closer to induction after its successful firing from a Dhruv ALH. Should arm IAF and IA LCH and Rudra WSI gunships.

          PGM and anti tank missile tested successfully

          The defence ministry on Sunday announced the success of two major new weapon systems developed by the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO). One is a precision-guided bomb, launched from fighter aircraft to incapacitate enemy air bases up to 100 km away. The second is an anti-tank missile, fired from helicopters to destroy enemy tanks as far as 7 km away.

          The indigenously designed and developed guided bombs — named the Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon (SAAW) — was launched from Indian Air Force (IAF) fighters at Chandan range, in Rajasthan. The ministry stated, “The weapon system was integrated with live warhead and has destroyed the targets with high precision.”

          The SAAW is an accurate bomb and is termed a precision-guided munition (PGM). After its release from an aircraft, a sophisticated “inertial navigation system” on the bomb guides it precisely to its target — typically an enemy airfield up to 100 km away.

          Striking the airfield’s runway precisely with one bomb is more economical than using traditional free-fall bombs, which are less accurate and must therefore be released in large numbers to be assured of incapacitating the target airfield.

          Another advantage of SAAW is that, after releasing it at a distance from the enemy airbase, the aircraft can return without exposing itself to anti-aircraft defences surrounding most air bases.

          “Three tests with different release conditions were conducted from August 16-18 and all mission objectives have been achieved,” said the defence ministry. These were the eighth round of developmental trials SAAW has undergone. It is now regarded as ready for induction into the IAF’s arsenal. Separately on Sunday afternoon, in “summer trials” in the blazing hot Pokhran Range, an indigenous Dhruv helicopter launched a HELINA anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) at a tank target seven kilometres away, successfully striking and destroying it.

          HELINA is the acronym for “helicopter launched Nag” missile, a heavier and longer-range version of the vehicle mounted Nag missile with a 4-km range.

          The missile is locked onto its target through a telescopic sight just before it is fired. After it is airborne and is flying towards its target at 200 metres per second, it is guided by an “infrared imaging seeker”, that homes in on the target’s heat signature.

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          • BlackArcher
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            Next Gen ARM for the IAF may be tested from a Su-30MKI in October November of this year

            [url=https://twitter.com/livefist/status/875344998278938628]

            Sources to Livefist: DRDO looking at Oct-Nov for first test-firing of New Gen Anti Radiation Missile (NGARM) from IAF Su-30MKI.

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            • BlackArcher
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              IAF and French Air Force pilots together from Exercise Pitch Black 2018 in Australia.

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              • halloweene
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                @black archer, some translations of dassaut magazine here by picdelamirandoil.

                https://www.strategicfront.org/forum...-33#post-42288

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                • MadRat
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                  If you use Microsoft Office, then OCR is built into the OneNote app. It works best with picture free scan. You can use the snipping tool to capture the text area then paste it on the OneNote clipboard. Right click on the image in the clipboard and select copy text from image.
                  Go Huskers!

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                  • halloweene
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                    Thank you. However i am not the one taht scanned the mag.

                    IAF blows at Congress about Rafale deal

                    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/65683971.cms
                    Last edited by halloweene; 6th September 2018, 14:13.

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                    • BlackArcher
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                      Astra BVRAAM is almost nearing induction with development trials completed successfully.



                      India completes development trials of Astra BVR missile

                      A series of flight trials of Astra Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVR-AAM) was conducted by Indian Air Force during September 26 to October 03, 2018 at Integrated Test Range (ITR), Balasore as part of final development trials of the missile.

                      The trials were a combination of complex tests for engagement of pilotless target in different modes of manoeuvring, off-boresight, medium and long ranges. The missiles were telemetered for evaluation of online performance of all sub-systems especially the datalink, RF seeker and proximity fuse for end-game performance.

                      Astra has been tested six times under different launch conditions and ranges as part of the final development trial. The missile has engaged targets and all the mission objectives have been met.


                      With IAF's active participation, DRDO has developed the missile and integrated the weapon on Su-30 and other air platforms. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), Nasik has been instrumental in the modification of a number of Su-30 aircrafts for Astra weapon integration and support during trials.

                      More than 50 private and public sector industries are involved in the development and production of different sub-systems of the missile. The missile is expected to be inducted into IAF in 2019.
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                      Last edited by BlackArcher; 4th October 2018, 23:24.

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                      • Vans
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                        how much better is Astra over the R-77?

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                        • haavarla
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                          how much better is Astra over the R-77?
                          That would highly depend on which R-77 version.
                          Thanks

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                          • Spitfire9
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                            NEW DELHI --- Fighter jets made by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) the Bengaluru-based defence public sector unit cost more than the same jets produced abroad by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM), a recent review of the state-owned company by the ministry of defence (MoD) has found.

                            The department of defence production is studying the document, said an officer aware of the development who did not want to be identified.

                            Su-30MKI the mainstay fighters of the Indian Air Force (IAF) which is manufactured by HAL under licence from Russia is about Rs 150 crore costlier than the ones made in Russia, according to the document, a copy of which has been reviewed by Hindustan Times.

                            The aircraft produced at HAL comes at a significantly higher cost when compared to direct purchase from the OEM, the document added.

                            A Su-30MKI made in Russia cost Rs 269.77 crore whereas one made by HAL in India costs Rs 417.69 crore, almost Rs 150 crore more per aircraft, the review said.

                            Similarly, there is a huge cost difference between the cost of the Hawk trainer aircraft manufactured by British Aerospace and those made HAL. (end of excerpt)
                            http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...mod-audit.html

                            Is HAL a lost cause as a jet manufacturer for IAF?
                            Last edited by Spitfire9; 22nd October 2018, 20:39.
                            Sum ergo cogito

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                            • TomcatViP
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                              There are no MKI's made in Russia...

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                              • stealthflanker
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                                Extremely weird situation there. and yeah no MKI made in Russia anymore, only Su-30SM.

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                                • haavarla
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                                  Extremely weird situation there. and yeah no MKI made in Russia anymore, only Su-30SM.
                                  Not really.
                                  Anyone want to bet on whose plant is running with newer more efficient CnC tool park, HAL vs IAPO..
                                  On top of this, as already mentioned, HAL is paying OEM for producing in India.
                                  This is purely an extra cost whichever way you want to look at it.
                                  Thanks

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                                  • Arihant
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                                    Straight from the horse's mouth. This is the first official confirmation that the indigenous Drdo BMD system is going to be inducted soon.

                                    https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscr...ambiar/1422923


                                    Shillong, Nov 16 Noting that that Russian-made S-400 Triumf missile system is one of the most advanced air defence systems, Eastern Air Command Chief, Air Marshal Raghunath Nambiar on Friday said India is also developing systems to defend itself against ballistic missiles of more capability.

                                    "We will have this capability (S-400 Triumf missile system) to defeat any space-based threat of a certain velocity. As this threat keeps growing, we will have to develop other systems," Air Marshal Nambiar said.

                                    "Our nation is developing systems to defend ourselves from ballistic missiles of more capability," he said at the North Eastern Council headquarters in Meghalaya.

                                    He said the state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is also developing Program AD ballistic missile system, which will be more capable of interception.

                                    "After Triumpf, it is going to be an Indian system (Program Air Defence) which will be more capable. It will not only intercept within our own atmosphere but also outside," he said.

                                    "We have tasted success. I was skeptical as anyone else would be, but having seen the Program functions, I think it is just a matter of a few minor glitches and other issues to be set right. We have a very capable air defence system and more importantly, it is 'Make in India' system, which will be more cost-effective, more widely available for us with little secrecy because everything will be known by us," the Air Marshal said.

                                    He said the S-400 Triumf capability, which will be in India's possession in 23 months from now, is to is to defeat airborne or spaceborne challenges besides giving the ability to defend India very effectively.

                                    India and Russia signed an agreement for the purchase of the missile system in 2016.

                                    On China's stealth fighter jets, Nambiar who test-flew the Rafale jet in France, said, "We believe we have the capability to defeat the Chinese with what we have at the moment. What happens in the future is another question. But today, we believe that we have the resources, the ability, the training and the ability to defeat at a particular level, but tomorrow is another new day."

                                    Asked how potent the Indian Air Force is in its airspace, Nambiar said, "Our neighbourhood is dangerous. We have nuclear-armed neighhbours who have designs and claims on what belongs to us. So it is best to be well prepared and forewarned."

                                    "We believe we have deterrence today. We have the strength, the capability. We have forces both in theatres as well as outside," Nambiar said.

                                    On China's developing airfields in the Tibet region, the Air Marshal said, "We are geographically blessed. We have airfields which are at a low altitude and almost at sea level. Most of our airfields are at 400 feet and therefore our aircraft can lift a lot of load."

                                    --

                                    This is the significant part.
                                    "We have tasted success. I was skeptical as anyone else would be, but having seen the Program functions, I think it is just a matter of a few minor glitches and other issues to be set right. We have a very capable air defence system and more importantly, it is 'Make in India' system, which will be more cost-effective, more widely available for us with little secrecy because everything will be known by us," the Air Marshal said."


                                    When a former IAF Deputy chief says that they have tested success, then the system really works. The interceptor and radars have met the stringent ASQR of IAF. It also implies that the missiles have been tested against operationally representative ballistic missiles under realistic conditions. The IAF is content and happy with the system.


                                    The last AAD missile interception test was witnessed by ACM Dhanoa. This missile will be inducted soon.

                                    What needs to be seen is whether we limit the AAD deployment to just NCR and Mumbai Or we are going to deploy it to provide ABM cover to airbases, MIC complexes and other VA.
                                    Last edited by Arihant; 17th November 2018, 06:20.

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                                    • halloweene
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                                      Shall i remind that DRDO is getting 30% of Rafale deal offsets?... could be a collaboration with MBDA on anes ASter30 block II

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                                      • Teer
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                                        Halloween, Aster Block -2 or otherwise, would be a terminal defense system for which DRDO has already developed the AAD/PDV. The focus of the DRDO is now on BMD Phase 2, which is to deal with beyond IRBM threats and challenges such as MIRVs. The Rafale offsets will likely be focused around Kaveri and AMCA.

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                                        • Teer
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                                          Chief of Air Staff AM Dhanoa. https://www.theweek.in/news/india/20...ing-tejas.html
                                          Process on induction of 231 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is in pipeline. We are supposed to induct a number of fighters .We have floated request for information (RFI) for 114 fighter aircraft. There was a proposal to induct LCA in big numbers and with this total number of LCA squadron will go up to 12. LCA mark 1 in IOC configuration of one squadron of 20 aircrafts , LCA mark 1 in FOC configuration one squadron 20 aircrafts , LCA mark 1A four squadron 83 aircraft , LCA mark 2 six squadron 108 aircrafts. So total of 12 squadron and 231 aircraft , this will be the largest induction of indigenous aircraft ever in the country.

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