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    Indian airforce has started to deploy Su-30MKI at Hasimara. There was a detachment of four MKI at Hasimara in October of last year. The Flanker H were even seen in Dec.

    No 2 Winged Arrows are deployed at Tezpur. A detachment of No 106 Lynx or even the whole squadron is also present at Tezpur. The Trisonics are there in Dibrugarh.

    https://offiziere.ch/?p=32499

    Due to ongoing tensions with China, the Indian Air Force has deployed a flight of at least four Su-30MKI Flanker multi-role fighter to Hasimara, the nearest Indian airbase to the recent Doklam standoff. Commercial imagery first captured the aircraft in October but its possible they may have arrived earlier. Imagery in August 2017 shows that workers covered the alert revetments on both ends of the runway preventing EO observation. Given regional basing, the aircraft likely arrived from neighboring Tezpur where a full squadron is reportedly deployed.

    The advanced fighters join the IAFs MIG-27ML/UPG at the strategic location. The ground attack aircraft are reportedly operated by No 22 Squadron. The overall number of MIG-27ML/UPG operated from the airbase recently decreased in 2016 when the previously co-located No 18 Squadron was decommissioned. The older non-operational airframes remain parked south of the runway. Domestic news in December reported that 22 Squadron would also be decommissioned. However, the swing-wing aircraft could still be viewed on the main parking apron and in nearby revetments in January.

    Short on aircraft, Hasimara is expected to receive new deployments with discussions in the Indian press suggesting one of Indias Dassault Rafale squadrons. Unfortunately, the first batch of the French-built aircraft is not expected to arrive until 2019. Until the Rafale are inducted, the SU-30MKIrotations will likely continue in order to help close the gap of operational assets at the airbase. Imagery captured the Flanker still parked on the apron in December 2017.

    In the meantime, imagery continues to show a heavy Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) ground presence east of the Doka La border crossing and in areas that could reinforce troops in the disputed Bhutanese territory. Beyond ground forces, China also continues to maintain larger numbers of fighter aircraft at regional airbases near the standoff and has improved infrastructure at key airbases.

    Bottom Line: The Su-30MKI rotations will likely remain a stop-gap until the border airbase is re-equipped with new aircraft.
    All these air bases along with the transport hub at Jorhat will figure high in the list of Day one HVT in case of a skirmish or a full blown exchange with China along the LAC in the North East and in the central sector and Ladakh. These airbases and other important strategic installations like ammo depots, POL dumps, garrisons and armour depots will face the wrath of Chinese massed fire assaults. A couple of well placed preemptive DF-15, 21 and DH-10 strikes on these airbases will take out most of the deployed Sukhois even before they can take to the skies and render these bases useless for the entirety of the war. The airforce needs to deploy assets to provide comprehensive air and missile defense coverage to their major airbases. I won't be surprised if AAD interceptors and Barak-8 are deployed to the North East in the immediate future. The IAF is interested in the home grown BMD shield. VCAS Air Marshal Sirish B Deo was present at ITR the last time Advanced air defense missile was tested. The IAF is surely interested in this system. Besides the Army variant of Barak-8 will have an terminal TBM intercept capability. Our very own PAC-3 MSE. The IAF variant, Mr Sam may as well possess the capability to take down theatres ballistic and MRBM.
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      The IAF is interested in the home grown BMD shield. VCAS Air Marshal Sirish B Deo was present at ITR the last time Advanced air defense missile was tested. The IAF is surely interested in this system. Besides the Army variant of Barak-8 will have an terminal TBM intercept capability. Our very own PAC-3 MSE. The IAF variant, Mr Sam may as well possess the capability to take down theatres ballistic and MRBM.
      China is not going to send one missile at time so India will have to practically buy unlimited number of SAMs spread out. I doubt Israeli can do faster R&D and produce more missiles than China.

      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/1.831449
      Arms Makers Fret as India Demands More Local Procurement
      read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/1.831449
      Israel has no chance of continuing to produce. Costs are too high and the world wants to produce at home. So most of the manufacturing now done in Israel will gradually move overseas in the coming years,” said one defense industry source, who asked not to be named. “Israel has to be the world’s [defense] technology incubator – that’s our added value.”

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        China is not going to send one missile at time so India will have to practically buy unlimited number of SAMs spread out. I doubt Israeli can do faster R&D and produce more missiles than China.
        The Barak-8 is not the principle pillar of our BMD shield. The foundational pillar of this indigenous program is the AAD and PDV missiles. They will be followed by the AD-1 and AD-2 hypersonic interceptors as part of phase 2.once the system becomes operational substantial numbers of all of these missiles will be rolling off the production line.

        Barak-8 along with the Akash mk1/S forms the bedrock of our cruise missile defense program. A similar program, the indigenous Qrsam is now being developed for the Army. It's similar to the Russian Tor M2 system in scope and functionality except that the missile load per Tel is 6 and the missiles are longer ranged.

        An all new BDL plant is coming up at Ibrahimpatnam for manufacturing the Barak-8 and Qrsam. The facility is spread out over 620+ acres.

        PLA strategic rocket force will be resorting to massed fire assaults with conventional armed DF-11,15,21,26 in case of a premptive strike to neutralize our numerical superiority in the region. The PLAAF may be following that up with Alcm strikes with the AKD-20 missile. So it is imperative for us to deploy a layered multi tier ballistic and cruise missile defense system in the North East and all along the LCA.

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          Barak-8 along with the Akash mk1/S forms the bedrock of our cruise missile defense program.
          what range they can intercept a cruise missile? do they have mobile tels with fast reloadable launchers.

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            MiG-29K night ops on INS Vikramaditya.

            The whitish blue afterburner plumes of the RD-33MK in the pitch black sky as the MiG takes off is a sight to behold.

            @JSR. The TEL of both Barak-8 and Akash are mobile. The launchers of the Army variant of Akash mk1 is mounted on a T815 8x8 high mobility truck. And the airforce variant is mounted on a trailer.

            The ranges at which the cruise missile s can be intercepted depend on the early detection, identification and tracking of the missiles. The EL/M-2084 MMR has ra search and track range which can exploit the full range of the Barak-8. Barak-8 has a 90 km + range.
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              Our RM, Smt Nirmala Sitharaman yesterday paid a visit to INS Vikramaditya. There she witnessed the full spectrum of operations including day and night take offs and traps by MiG-29K. The task force comprised of nine other ships and a sub including INS Kolkata, a DDG and the fleet tanker INS Deepak.
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                they haven't given rcs and altitude but does not seem that much range. so far 8 missiles per tel. with not much upgrade potential.
                http://www.iai.co.il/Sip_Storage//FILES/0/41420.pdf

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                  https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/950693758445658112

                  Clip of Indian Navy Mig-29K operating at night, trapping on board INS Vikramaditya

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                    yeah its pretty clear the Indians never really wanted the Mig-29K, but made do since the Gorshkov size.
                    Gripen was never going to happen.

                    what surprised me was the f-35 being down listed. the B version could've easily operated from their two ski jump carriers.
                    the Raffy will be good if they end up going catobar.

                    not sure if a light-middle-heavy aviation structure is really necessary but if so..

                    Tejas - Rafale - Flanker is ideal and should be the end of it. get rid of the other types.

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                      Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                      yeah its pretty clear the Indians never really wanted the Mig-29K, but made do since the Gorshkov size.
                      Gripen was never going to happen.

                      what surprised me was the f-35 being down listed. the B version could've easily operated from their two ski jump carriers.
                      the Raffy will be good if they end up going catobar.
                      Have to respond to RFI to have a chance to win. Dont think India would respond to manufacturer that didnt offer tender (four offers were from Saab, Mig, Dassault, Boeing) Pretty clear L-M wasnt going to jump into this. Rafale makes most sense, but India goes by the beat of some drummer, off key and tempo, but their own just the same.
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                        yeah its pretty clear the Indians never really wanted the Mig-29K, but made do since the Gorshkov size.
                        Gripen was never going to happen.

                        what surprised me was the f-35 being down listed. the B version could've easily operated from their two ski jump carriers.
                        the Raffy will be good if they end up going catobar.

                        not sure if a light-middle-heavy aviation structure is really necessary but if so..

                        Tejas - Rafale - Flanker is ideal and should be the end of it. get rid of the other types.
                        where you get this idea India not wanting MIG-29K. they spent whole decade in negotiating it. MIG-29K is only aircraft that has sure supersonic/hypersonic strike weopons path with superior flight performance than all competitors. India is lucky that Russia supplied all 45 MIG29K quickly and with India choice of Germanic simulator and French HMS. try to customize Rafale and see how many years its take to supply 45 aircraft.
                        and the way China missile and semiconductor industry going. they will make sure that JF17 always has better weopons/system upgrades than Rafale.

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                          ^ wrong thread. we will not bother replying to you unless you repost it here

                          https://forum.keypublishing.com/show...est-Eurocanard

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                            Realistically IN does not have the money the quoted figure of $10-12 Billion to buy either the Rafale or F-18 , MOD does not have the money to even buy MCVC or ASW chopper which is less than half the value of the fighter program.

                            If they had restricted the program to buy 12-15 Rafle or F-18 that would have been more realistic even IAF with a much larger CAPEX cant afford more than 36 Rafale that too MOD give that grudgingly.

                            The only real bet would be to operationalise 3-4 squaron Naval Tejas and buy another squadron of Mig-29K and standardise on these two types putting more emphasis on Quality and Numbers for light and medium fighter and opting for PBL type program for both types with guranteed uptimes and servicibility

                            IAC-2 would itself cost a lot of money and its compliment of ASW choppers and other assest besides fighters would be another bomb.

                            As much I would want to see a Rafale flying over IAC-2 there is little hope that it would ever do
                            "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                              has IAC 2 even been finalized?

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                                has IAC 2 even been finalized?
                                Yep. It will be a 65-70000 ton CATOBAR carrier with conventional propulsion. The earlier plan for nuclear propulsion has been dropped.

                                Besides its too early to talk about the IAC-2. The kneel won't be laid anytime before 2024-25. It doesn't figure in the list of top priorities for IN now. Right now it's a new xlass of multi purpose SSN followed by a class of four LHD followed by a new class of conventional subs P-75I followed by a new class of frigates. the kneel of the first in class of the P-17A has already been laid. The LHD and SSN will cost quite a huge sum of money and so it is inappropriate to speak about IAC--2 now. BTW, the CNS has stated that the configuration of IAC-2 has been finalized during his Navy day address.

                                yeah its pretty clear the Indians never really wanted the Mig-29K, but made do since the Gorshkov size.
                                Gripen was never going to happen.
                                As part of the INS Vikramaditya contract, it was mandated that we buy the complement of aircrafts and helos for the carrier from Russia as well as refit and refurbish the Gorshkov in a Russian shipyard. So we had to buy the MiG-29K. But it isn't that the MiG was forced upon the Navy and they had to grudgingly accept it. There were some initial problems and teething issues with the Indian Fulcrum-D fleet as was brought out in a CAG report. But these issues are gradually being resolved. The Naval aviators love the MiG. And the aircraft pit on a stellar display performed superbly during the last round of Malabar exercise.

                                Now you would ask that if the Navy indeed loves the MiV-29K, then why it isn't ordering more. This is because the Navy wants a dedicated CATOBAR aircraft, one with more payload, endurance and range. It also wants to diversify its fleet of naval aircrafts and doesn't want to rely on a single nation for all of its purchases. Besides the Rafale and the SH will offer the navy a higher availability rate than the Migs.


                                India is lucky that Russia supplied all 45 MIG29K quickly and with India choice of Germanic simulator and French HMS. try to customize Rafale and see how many years its take to supply 45 aircraft.
                                and the way China missile and semiconductor industry going. they will make sure that JF17 always has better weopons/system upgrades than Rafale.
                                Germanic simulator? I have never come across any mention of simulator being sourced from Germany. Can you provide a link.

                                And let alone the Rafale, the Chinese and Pakistanis have a long way to go for them to have avionics, mission sensors and data fusion capabilities which match our indigenous Tejas. The JF-17 block 2 still doesn't have a HMDS. The KLJ-7 doesn't come close to the performance parameters of the Elta - 2032 especially in the A2G domain. The much vaunted hypersonic CM-400 AKG carrier killer is yet to be integrated on the Xialong. The Pakistanis are living in cuckoo land and some Chinese, Pakistan air marshals are also having grandeur delusions of using the JF-17 block 2 to counter our MKI. Excellent.


                                they haven't given rcs and altitude but does not seem that much range. so far 8 missiles per tel. with not much upgrade potential
                                The EL/M-2084 is a Multi function radar. It can serve as a weapon locating radar and can track rocket, artillery and mortar rounds upto a distance of 80-100 km. So yes it's capable of detecting the, positively identifying and tracking very low RCS targets from tactically significant ranges. Besides the radar is plugged into the Integrated Air command and control system. This is a layered and networked system of both civilian primary airspace surveillance radars and military radars. So an incoming cruise missile can be detectrd from a huge distance and the track can then be handed over to the FCR for target engagement.


                                The only real bet would be to operationalise 3-4 squaron Naval Tejas and buy another squadron of Mig-29K and standardise on these two types putting more emphasis on Quality and Numbers for light and medium fighter and opting for PBL type program for both types with guranteed uptimes and servicibility
                                The CAS had stated at the annual Naval day press that the service won't be inducting any Tejas into service. However they will continue to fund the development of the Naval variant. This funding will be continued so that Ada can accumulate the required expertise in the field of carrier aviation and develope a naval variant of the Amca when the time comes. The Naval Tejas Lca mk1 weighs about 8200 kgs empty. The figure may be off by some hundred of kgs but it's definitely above this. With such a high empty weight compared to its land based cousin, there is little room left for a descent weapons load after having a full internal fuel load. Then coupled with the poor T/W ratio, the Tejas in its present form was never a viable candidate for the INS Vikramaditya and IAC-2.

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                                  Landing of MiG-29K on INS Vikramaditya in slow mo.

                                  https://mobile.twitter.com/nsitharam...189440/video/1

                                  Another slo mo video of MiG-29K taking off in pit hockey dark conditions from INS VKD.

                                  https://mobile.twitter.com/writetake...347649/video/1

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                                    The EL/M-2084 is a Multi function radar. It can serve as a weapon locating radar and can track rocket, artillery and mortar rounds upto a distance of 80-100 km. So yes it's capable of detecting the, positively identifying and tracking very low RCS targets from tactically significant ranges. Besides the radar is plugged into the Integrated Air command and control system. This is a layered and networked system of both civilian primary airspace surveillance radars and military radars. So an incoming cruise missile can be detectrd from a huge distance and the track can then be handed over to the FCR for target engagement.
                                    is there any video of rate of fire from TELs of Barak 8. how it can cope with saturated attack? I serious doubt this all purpose airdefence system. even the shortest range cruise missiles are outside its range. so you need a lot more systems to cover given area. its obsolete concept against cruise missiles compared to TorM2U/Morfey.
                                    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...modele=release
                                    Rheinmetall Defence Electronics Supplies Flight Simulator for MiG-29 K Carrier Aircraft
                                    what do you know about KL7 vs ELTA comparision?
                                    Chinese university ranking is far higher and Israeli institute like Technion collaborate with them.
                                    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Heb...ankings-457290

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                                      Chinese universities are rapidly climbing in prestige and research output, its a big reason why China was able to catch up to Russia in aviation technology and will soon surpass Europe.
                                      Israel on the other hand is suffering from brain drain issues and over reliance on the US.

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                                        Its not just theoretical ranking in Universities but both Israel/India have failed to industrialized. carrying huge trade deficits that is financed by portfolio investment flows. and without industrial might who is going to produce and implement fast upgrades to all the Radar, telecom and SAM network.
                                        On top of that China is the most important country for a lot of Middleastern Countries and these countries buy western weopons faster and far ahead of India. so most likely Chinese has good idea about capaibilities.

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                                          China is not going to send one missile at time so India will have to practically buy unlimited number of SAMs spread out. I doubt Israeli can do faster R&D and produce more missiles than China.
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                                          You have mistaken belief that an ABM system is aimed primarily against China and not Pakistan.

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