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  • Y-20 Bacon
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    Originally posted by QuantumFX View Post
    Here is a rough comparison. Length is for J-10A. J-10B/C are lightly shorter from what I heard.

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    great thanks. good work on finding all the accurate measurements on the j-10 and j-20.
    always proving the bots wrong!

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    • Deino
      Rank 5 Registered User

      Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
      great thanks. good work on finding all the accurate measurements on the j-10 and j-20.
      always proving the bots wrong!
      I realy do not know why again you insist in this discussion? The J-10's dimensions were officially confirmed since years and noone with really interest and knowlegde questions them. Noone reliable said it has the size of a J-10. So why always provoking and trolling around with false accusations?
      I'm still waiting for any of your proofs concerning the claims you accused me. I never said the J-20 is only 18 m long and so many other things too ... you are flop-flopping answers, bashing personally instead of argueing ...

      That's indeed all you can ... simply a troll par excellance.
      ...

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      My working week and my Sunday rest,
      My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
      I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

      The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
      Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
      Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
      For nothing now can ever come to any good.
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      • KGB
        KGB
        Senior Member

        Originally posted by Byoin View Post
        these are not properly scaled and comes from a brazilian website.
        j-20 is closer to 20m, pakfa closer to 22
        Sigh...

        The lengths coincide with the lengths on Wikipedia for each aircraft.

        The J 20 is way bigger than Pak Fa or Raptor and is about the same length as the Mig 1.44. And I wonder why that is...

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        • foxmulder_ms
          Rank 5 Registered User

          Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
          why should I buy me?
          More french kisses to my best troll





          On a side note, slightly off topic but can anyone share me a link with F-22 carrying 4 fuel tanks? I believe it did carry it during tests.

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          • wilhelm
            Rank 5 Registered User

            Originally posted by Deino View Post
            I realy do not know why again you insist in this discussion? The J-10's dimensions were officially confirmed since years and noone with really interest and knowlegde questions them. Noone reliable said it has the size of a J-10. So why always provoking and trolling around with false accusations?
            I'm still waiting for any of your proofs concerning the claims you accused me. I never said the J-20 is only 18 m long and so many other things too ... you are flop-flopping answers, bashing personally instead of argueing ...

            That's indeed all you can ... simply a troll par excellance.
            Deino....don't take it to heart, especially his personal criticism of you.
            Over the years I've enjoyed your input, as I'm sure many others have, and you have published some wonderful books on Chinese aviation.

            I don't think Y-20 Bacon is being serious....in fact, even when he was F-18 Hamburger almost 20 years ago on this forum, he was much the same.
            I think he provokes to get a discussion going.

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            • Y-20 Bacon
              Senior Member

              Originally posted by wilhelm View Post
              Deino....don't take it to heart, especially his personal criticism of you.
              Over the years I've enjoyed your input, as I'm sure many others have, and you have published some wonderful books on Chinese aviation.

              I don't think Y-20 Bacon is being serious....in fact, even when he was F-18 Hamburger almost 20 years ago on this forum, he was much the same.
              I think he provokes to get a discussion going.
              he's easily excitable these days and addicted to me! yum

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              • Y-20 Bacon
                Senior Member

                Originally posted by foxmulder_ms View Post
                More french kisses to my best troll





                On a side note, slightly off topic but can anyone share me a link with F-22 carrying 4 fuel tanks? I believe it did carry it during tests.
                love that tongue of yours

                and here you go

                Last edited by Y-20 Bacon; 22nd October 2016, 22:16.

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                • obligatory
                  Senior Member

                  ahem...you might want to fix that link bacon

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                  • Y-20 Bacon
                    Senior Member

                    Originally posted by obligatory View Post
                    ahem...you might want to fix that link bacon
                    ok sexy I will!

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                    • Y-20 Bacon
                      Senior Member

                      Originally posted by KGB View Post
                      The J 20 is way bigger than Pak Fa or Raptor and is about the same length as the Mig 1.44. And I wonder why that is...
                      and why is that

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                      • obligatory
                        Senior Member

                        Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                        and why is that
                        oh no ! dont bait yet again

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                        • Byoin
                          Senior Member

                          Originally posted by wilhelm View Post
                          Deino....don't take it to heart, especially his personal criticism of you.
                          Over the years I've enjoyed your input, as I'm sure many others have, and you have published some wonderful books on Chinese aviation.

                          I don't think Y-20 Bacon is being serious....in fact, even when he was F-18 Hamburger almost 20 years ago on this forum, he was much the same.
                          I think he provokes to get a discussion going.
                          no, Deino speaks for all of us. And we are sick and tired of Russian nationalists invading our section with their pettiness and jealousy.
                          They know our J-10 and J-20 are innovative designs. they know the J-20 put significantly more effort in all around stealth not just the front. they know the j-20 will reach service first, even though its first flight was later.
                          that is why they are so desperate to discredit it with things like being a mig, even though it looks NOTHING like it. or its size. even though all Chinese aviation fans know J-10 is 15m and J-20 is 20m. look it up.

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                          • Y-20 Bacon
                            Senior Member

                            from Tango's post (he's a completely neutral, non biased contributor)

                            By 1990, the technical sophistication of the PLA had deteriorated to the degree that Iraqi forces enjoyed a considerable advantage over their Chinese counterparts.

                            The Iraqi Air Force included MiG-23s, MiG-25s and MiG-29s, while the PLAAF relied on Chinese-produced copycats of the MiG-21, as well as older aircraft such as the MiG-19. Similarly, the Iraqi air defense system, which had failed to incur major damage on waves of attacking American aircraft, was at least as sophisticated as the systems China was capable of employing.

                            The Chinese had also discovered, through access to Iraqi tanks captured by the Iranians in the Persian Gulf War, that the Iraqi T-72s that presented no challenge whatsoever to the U.S. Army  and were considerably superior to extant Chinese tanks.
                            the problem therein lies that their latest type 99s are derived heavily from the T-72s

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                            • Y-20 Bacon
                              Senior Member

                              Originally posted by Byoin View Post
                              no, Deino speaks for all of us. And we are sick and tired of Russian nationalists invading our section with their pettiness and jealousy.
                              They know our J-10 and J-20 are innovative designs. they know the J-20 put significantly more effort in all around stealth not just the front. they know the j-20 will reach service first, even though its first flight was later.
                              that is why they are so desperate to discredit it with things like being a mig, even though it looks NOTHING like it. or its size. even though all Chinese aviation fans know J-10 is 15m and J-20 is 20m. look it up.
                              plus roughtly 1.5 meters for both

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                              • Y-20 Bacon
                                Senior Member

                                while our chinabot friends are feverishly debating over the size of airplanes or non-existant stealth paint
                                something bad happened. a JH-7 crashed a few hours ago



                                no word on the pilots. but it would probably be a good time to consider withdrawing these old jets.

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                                • KGB
                                  KGB
                                  Senior Member

                                  Originally posted by obligatory View Post
                                  oh no ! dont bait yet again
                                  There was more than 1 to choose from.

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                                  • KGB
                                    KGB
                                    Senior Member

                                    Originally posted by Byoin View Post
                                    no, Deino speaks for all of us. And we are sick and tired of Russian nationalists invading our section with their pettiness and jealousy.
                                    They know our J-10 and J-20 are innovative designs. they know the J-20 put significantly more effort in all around stealth not just the front. they know the j-20 will reach service first, even though its first flight was later.
                                    that is why they are so desperate to discredit it with things like being a mig, even though it looks NOTHING like it. or its size. even though all Chinese aviation fans know J-10 is 15m and J-20 is 20m. look it up.
                                    This is just a dishonest statement. You are entitled to claim that the J 20 is a clean slate Chinese design. But you cannot claim that the Pak Fa is bigger than the J 20 or that the J 20 is not similar in length to the Mig 1.44

                                    I would advise you to take a more cordial stance on Russia with regard to the J 20 and save the venom for your American or western critics. Because China and Russia are allies. I never wanted to say anything bad about the J 20 until ppl like you start claiming that China has passed Russia in expertise. When clearly they have not because they still use Russian engines.

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                                    • latenlazy
                                      Rank 5 Registered User

                                      Originally posted by KGB View Post
                                      Sigh...

                                      The lengths coincide with the lengths on Wikipedia for each aircraft.

                                      The J 20 is way bigger than Pak Fa or Raptor and is about the same length as the Mig 1.44. And I wonder why that is...
                                      Because information on wikipedia is infallible amiright?

                                      Anyways, I suspect we won't have to wait for much longer for an official figure. If the upcoming Zhuhai Aerospace Convention will be featuring the J-20 they will probably provide some basic specs.

                                      That said, in before the "China fakes its statistics!" crowd.

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                                      • KGB
                                        KGB
                                        Senior Member

                                        Originally posted by latenlazy View Post
                                        Because information on wikipedia is infallible amiright?

                                        Anyways, I suspect we won't have to wait for much longer for an official figure. If the upcoming Zhuhai Aerospace Convention will be featuring the J-20 they will probably provide some basic specs.

                                        That said, in before the "China fakes its statistics!" crowd.
                                        It is close enough data that we can assume a few things. Anyone with eyes can see that its a rather big aircraft

                                        What is your approximate guess though ? Do you believe that its shorter than the Pak Fa >?>

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                                        • latenlazy
                                          Rank 5 Registered User

                                          Originally posted by KGB View Post
                                          This is just a dishonest statement. You are entitled to claim that the J 20 is a clean slate Chinese design. But you cannot claim that the Pak Fa is bigger than the J 20 or that the J 20 is not similar in length to the Mig 1.44

                                          I would advise you to take a more cordial stance on Russia with regard to the J 20 and save the venom for your American or western critics. Because China and Russia are allies. I never wanted to say anything bad about the J 20 until ppl like you start claiming that China has passed Russia in expertise. When clearly they have not because they still use Russian engines.
                                          It is dishonest to claim the J-20 is any length without also acknowledging we actually don't know. Regardless of the reasons we think it's 19 meters or 23 meters, these are all estimations. No one should have any confidence to assert a categorical claim here.

                                          Not that I have a personal dog in this fight (I'm American, actually), but your second paragraph reeks of a "We're friends only if you think I'm superior mentality". If I were a Russian nationalist I'd worry about blind spots....

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