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  • stealthflanker
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    • Sep 2015
    • 861

    I'm still waiting.

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    • Scooter
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      • Jan 2000
      • 11831

      Originally posted by stealthflanker View Post

      Then why bother quoting me there ? What are you trying to do ?

      Do you think something off from my estimate ? Which part ? Cooling part ? Empty weight part ? Be clear. Just saying its like KFX or TFX is not clear nor even an intellectual attempt to start discussion.
      You made some general remarks about the J-31's weight and class with other fighters. Which, is what my remarks had to do with. My mistake I should have deleted the comments in regards to Radar.....

      Yet, hardly anything to get "excited" about.....
      F-35 Lightning II

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      • halloweene
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        • Jan 2012
        • 4004

        J31do not exist yet. It is FC-31 afaik.

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        • totoro
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Apr 2006
          • 1014

          FC-31 doesn't exist either, really.

          What does exist is two demonstrator planes. 00031 and the second, redesigned, one. FC-31, IF it gets the funding to go ahead, will most likely be heavily based on the second variant. (it still may see further changes and redesigns) But until there's a confirmed customer for FC-31, that's a paper project.

          PLAAF or PLANAF may or may not have ordered a plane based on those demonstrators. Or they may or may not order it in the near future. That plane in Chinese service may or may not get called J-31. Basically, despite the rumors abound, there's been no actual confirmation or any sort of hard photographical evidence to CONFIRM Chinese armed forces have signed up for financing the project.

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          • LMFS
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            • Feb 2018
            • 228

            Originally posted by Scooter
            Well, get ready for a big surprise because it is coming.....
            Sure, I am waiting!
            As a matter of fact don't be surprised to see Russia buying Chinese Military Hardware in the coming years! Why??? Because it just doesn't have the resources like it did back in the glory days of the Soviet Union. As a matter of fact Russia's GDP is in the range of Australia and Canada. In short it can't afford to keep up with the "Big Dogs" anymore.
            A big secret for you: GDP of Western nations is a "bit" overblown. National capability is not a direct translation of GDP, and much less under Western standards. Russia gets deterrence and in fact a strategic capability on par or even better than US with 1/10 of the budget. Their fighters cost like one third or less than the equivalent plane in US. They are right at the top in space exploration, nuclear energy, aviation engines and many other strategic technologies, ahead of US in fact in some of them despite the $ difference. But why should I insist, this is all well known to anybody wanting to see. Russia cooperates with China and I can well imagine both developing together some military HW as they do with the CR929 airliner or even buying non-critical stuff directly from China, why not. But buying J-31 to substitute Su-57... you went too far with that one man!

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            • Cherry Ripe
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jul 2009
              • 555

              Originally posted by LMFS View Post
              Sure, I am waiting! Russia gets deterrence and in fact a strategic capability on par or even better than US with 1/10 of the budget. Their fighters cost like one third or less than the equivalent plane in US. They are right at the top in space exploration, nuclear energy, aviation engines and many other strategic technologies,
              Russia, with a GDP equivalent to South Korea or Australia, is coasting on the back of technology developed through massive unsustainable spending by the USSR. Nothing to do with Russian ingenuity or thrift.

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              • blackwood
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                • Dec 2011
                • 300

                Cherry Ripe, you make the mistake that many do regards GDP.
                Go Google search GDP PPP CIA report. Russias GDP is 4 trillion, equal to Germany 6th. Even current GDP on $US basis is 1.6 going to 1.75 trillion. Australias is 1.3.

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                • LMFS
                  Rank 3 Registered User
                  • Feb 2018
                  • 228

                  Originally posted by Cherry Ripe View Post

                  Russia, with a GDP equivalent to South Korea or Australia, is coasting on the back of technology developed through massive unsustainable spending by the USSR. Nothing to do with Russian ingenuity or thrift.
                  I am sure Russia is very happy with people like you in the West, sticking their heads so deep in the sand, reassuring their egos with delusion and half truths 30 years old and completely oblivious to reality. I guess 21 trillion dollar debt (and rising 1 trillion per year) is the proof of sustainable US spending

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                  • St. John
                    Rank 4 Registered User
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 473

                    GDP is rising faster than debt though.

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                    • QuantumFX
                      What?
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 1725

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                      • QuantumFX
                        What?
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 1725

                        back on topic,

                        J-10B TVC at Chengdu

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                        • QuantumFX
                          What?
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 1725

                          J-16 KD-88 training round and pod (Plus, an older image of the J-10C with the same).

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                          • stealthflanker
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Sep 2015
                            • 861

                            That datalink pod really look like one used for Have Nap.

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                            • moon_light
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • May 2012
                              • 932

                              How good is J-10 compare to JF-17?

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                              • syedirtiza
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 3

                                J-10 is far more superior than JF-17 especially J-10C.

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                                • moon_light
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • May 2012
                                  • 932

                                  Originally posted by syedirtiza View Post
                                  J-10 is far more superior than JF-17 especially J-10C.
                                  Can you explain? Iam not familiar with chinese equipments

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                                  • Deino
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jan 2000
                                    • 4146

                                    So far best image of a H-6G armed with two YJ-12 AShMs.

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                                    My working week and my Sunday rest,
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                                    The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
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                                    • XB-70
                                      Rank 3 Registered User
                                      • May 2018
                                      • 160

                                      moon_light - The J-10 has an IRST. The newer variants are believed to have an AESA as well.

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                                      • Deino
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jan 2000
                                        • 4146

                                        Originally posted by moon_light View Post

                                        Can you explain? Iam not familiar with chinese equipments
                                        Both are simply different classes of aircraft: The J-10 is larger than a F-16, whereas the JF-17 is a small low-cost fighter.

                                        ...

                                        He was my North, my South, my East and West,
                                        My working week and my Sunday rest,
                                        My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
                                        I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

                                        The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
                                        Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
                                        Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
                                        For nothing now can ever come to any good.
                                        -------------------------------------------------
                                        W.H.Auden (1945)

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                                        • moon_light
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • May 2012
                                          • 932

                                          Originally posted by Deino View Post

                                          Both are simply different classes of aircraft: The J-10 is larger than a F-16, whereas the JF-17 is a small low-cost fighter.
                                          How are J-10C and the lastest version of F-16 compare?
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