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    J20 Induced in PLAAF

    China’s new generation stealth fighter jet, the J-20, is serving in the People’s Liberation Army air force, according to state media.
    Video footage from CCTV Channel 7 on Friday night showed J-20 fighters joining the PLA air force with Y-20 transport planes and H-6K bombers. CCTV did not say how many J-20 fighter jets were serving in the air force.

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      Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
      Note, they only say it is in service they do not say what degree of service (IOC etc), which obviously they do not ever release to us.

      I imagine J-20 at this stage has entered service in the sense that the air force is using them in the IOT&E stage.

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        Can someone refresh my memory, what is the status of Chinese Flankers + J-10 as far as phased arrays and in-service numbers are concerned?
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          Originally posted by xena View Post
          I am crazy? Is my monitor calibration wrong? The H6 is light grey
          Semantics.

          There are many shades of grey military aircraft out there. And these greys are quite common. It makes more categorical sense to call the H6 white because it is way more distinctly light than typical light grey aircraft. Plus language is the most effective as it gets simpler and more efficient. So rather than say light-grey it is faster to say or type white.

          So yeah. I suppose it is technically a very light grey. Take a bow. And there has to be a point where a certain shade brings a color from grey to white. But I am going to keep calling it white because it makes the most sense to call it white. And if your kids soccer ball rolled underneath a parked H6, and your kid asked you where his ball went, you'd probably say, under the *white* jet over there.

          Last edited by KGB; 10th March 2017, 06:45.

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            Originally posted by TR1 View Post
            Can someone refresh my memory, what is the status of Chinese Flankers + J-10 as far as phased arrays and in-service numbers are concerned?
            J-16 (AESA) - 20?
            J-10B - (PESA, will be upgraded to the 10C AESA) - ???
            J-10C - (AESA) - 50?

            Not sure about the actual numbers. Maybe 20+ J-16, 100+ J-10B/10C (maybe closing in on 150). Again, I am not sure about the numbers. Best if you check with Deino.

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              Originally posted by Blitzo View Post
              Artwork dated December 2010.

              Are you really basing your belief that you think J-20 is coloured dark green based off artwork made of J-20 back when we didn't even have clear pictures of it? Or is this some kind of roundabout way of saying that Tom Cooper's initial J-20 art had an incorrect colour?

              More importantly, why is Tom Cooper's art from December 2010 even relevant considering all the clear pictures we've had of the various J-20 prototypes and LRIP aircraft over the past 6+ years. Does Tom Cooper's art of J-20 made when we had no clear pictures of it, take precedence over every other picture we've had of it?
              It was the 2010 prototype #2001 that has been rumored to be green. So the part about 2010 fits.

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                Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                you better tell your boss, Tom, his artwork used the wrong color, unless you think this is not dark green


                H6 bomber is a tricky one, i would say it is either a dirty white or a very very light grey
                Cool. I picked the same H6 photo before I knew that you posted this one.

                I'll try and help you out on the green J 20. Just a couple weeks ago, I seen some clear cut evidence of the green one but I havn't been able to locate it yet.

                Here is a plastic model kit J 20. Color description: dark green
                https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trumpeter-m.../dp/B01344H7YU

                This pic, if you focus on the vert stabs, you can see that its green

                Last edited by KGB; 10th March 2017, 07:00.

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                  Originally posted by Blitzo View Post
                  Note, they only say it is in service they do not say what degree of service (IOC etc), which obviously they do not ever release to us.

                  I imagine J-20 at this stage has entered service in the sense that the air force is using them in the IOT&E stage.
                  Yes. But it is somewhat noteworthy. If there was any risk at this level that the plane would be a failure, that won't have happened yet.

                  @KGB: I can only invite you to stop the vodka for its known detrimental effect on your eyesight (color blind).
                  Last edited by TomcatViP; 10th March 2017, 06:57.

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                    Originally posted by Blitzo View Post
                    Artwork dated December 2010.
                    durr, of course it is dated dec 2010.
                    the first J-20 prototype was the dark green one. naturally all the photos of the dark green j-20 will be late 2010-2011

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                        Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                        durr, of course it is dated dec 2010.
                        the first J-20 prototype was the dark green one. naturally all the photos of the dark green j-20 will be late 2010-2011

                        If that image really looks dark green to you I think it may be of interest for you to consult an optometrist or an ophthalmologist.


                        Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
                        Yes. But it is somewhat noteworthy. If there was any risk at this level that the plane would be a failure, that won't have happened yet.
                        I suppose. But tbh we would've known ages ago if it was a failure not to mention recent developments over the last year that have been more indicative.
                        A quick verbal statement on CCTV about J-20 "entering service" is not that significant in that regard given the accumulation of other events in J-20's development else over the last few years.

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                          Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
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                          what color is this?

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                            Originally posted by Blitzo View Post
                            If that image really looks dark green to you I think it may be of interest for you to consult an optometrist or an ophthalmologist.
                            Its not easy to see but its green. It is not us that need to get our eyes checked. Its you.

                            Plus I posted the model J 20 kit on Amazon that is listed as dark green
                            Last edited by KGB; 10th March 2017, 07:08.

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                              Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                              what color is this?

                              Does it matter what colour the art is? I could paint one which is orange, but that doesn't mean the real plane was orange.

                              Doesn't it bother you that the most convincing pictures you have for your position are drawings/art rather than photos?

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                                Originally posted by KGB View Post
                                Its green. It is not us that need to get our eyes checked. Its you.

                                Plus I posted the model J 20 kit on Amazon that is listed as dark green
                                This is such a confusing strand of discussion. Whatever. It's green. It's orange. It's purple. Whatever.

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                                  Originally posted by Blitzo View Post
                                  Does it matter what colour the art is? I could paint one which is orange, but that doesn't mean the real plane was orange.

                                  Doesn't it bother you that the most convincing pictures you have for your position are drawings/art rather than photos?
                                  1. it matters what color the art is because it means other people acknowledge it is dark green too
                                  2. real photos were posted above you, but if you can't see that, then i'm not surprised you can't see the actual color either. don't blame us because you're one of those guys who sees the dress as white and gold when everyone is telling you it is blue

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                                    Originally posted by Blitzo View Post
                                    If that image really looks dark green to you I think it may be of interest for you to consult an optometrist or an ophthalmologist.
                                    and note that the magazine and model drawings based on the early prototype also show dark green, no matter how hard you try to spin it.
                                    see a doctor please.

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                                      Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                      and note that the magazine and model drawings based on the early prototype also show dark green, no matter how hard you try to spin it.
                                      see a doctor please.
                                      And who cares about what colour magazine and model drawings were?
                                      Is the question what colour the magazine and model drawings were, or what the colour of the actual plane was? I thought the issue was the latter, rather than the former. If we are debating over what a few magazine and model drawings initially thought the colour was -- then yes, clearly they incorrectly displayed and listed it as green.

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                                        Originally posted by Blitzo View Post
                                        And who cares about what colour magazine and model drawings were?
                                        Is the question what colour the magazine and model drawings were, or what the colour of the actual plane was? I thought the issue was the latter, rather than the former. If we are debating over what a few magazine and model drawings initially thought the colour was -- then yes, clearly they incorrectly displayed and listed it as green.
                                        nobody cared, until I mentioned it casually to KGB
                                        then suddenly some one's panties got tied up in a knot. for some reason the color dark green highly offends them

                                        2001 is clearly dark green, the only reason it's called into question is because there's no clear day time shot of it due to China's eternal pollution

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                                          Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                          1. it matters what color the art is because it means other people acknowledge it is dark green too
                                          2. real photos were posted above you, but if you can't see that, then i'm not surprised you can't see the actual color either. don't blame us because you're one of those guys who sees the dress as white and gold when everyone is telling you it is blue
                                          1: drawings based on initial poor quality pictures
                                          2: if these look green to you, then screw it, clearly it's orange







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