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  • SpudmanWP
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jan 2009
    • 5288

    RE: Hot Bay - No mention in the latest DOT&E report. Remember that they only report problems and not them getting resolved.

    RE: AMRAAM ( unable ot use properly AMRAAM) - Where do you get that from?

    RE: unable to use IR missile on LBL mode - They are external so why not?

    RE: Competely useless for canada. - Canada, just like all other NATO countries, participates in operations around the world where having a VLO airframe will save lives and ensure mission success.
    Last edited by SpudmanWP; 19th February 2018, 18:18.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    • Sintra
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Aug 2007
      • 3845

      . When? In 10 years? Hope it will not have to open its bays every ten mins in the meanwhile... (is that fixed btw?)

      In the meanwhile it is unable ot use properly AMRAAM and completely unable to use IR missile on LBL mode, a prerequisite to execute properly air policing.

      Anw what would CANADA do with stealth? Useful only for first day entry and OCA... Competely useless for canada.
      Chill out Hallo, we might think that you dont like Dave

      If the ability to carry six amraams by Dave A will only be delivered in ten years, thats no problem for the Canadians. With the first airframe of whatever aircraft they choose being delivered in 2025, the IOC for their first sqn will be some nine to ten years from now. The longer the replacement program gets, the most likely an acquisition of Dave by RCAF his, its the youngets airframe in the competition, and whatever problems it might have now, they will be ironed by then.
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      • halloweene
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2012
        • 4344

        RE: Hot Bay - No mention in the latest DOT&E report. Remember that they only report problems and not them getting resolved.
        Translation : don't know
        RE: AMRAAM ( unable ot use properly AMRAAM) - Where do you get that from?
        Last report (reasons are classified)
        RE: unable to use IR missile on LBL mode - They are external so why not?
        On wingtips ? lol
        RE: Competely useless for canada. - Canada, just like all other NATO countries, participates in operations around the world where having a VLO airframe will save lives and ensure mission success.
        Canada's missions will not in any manner require a VLO airframe. Only interesting for "tip of the spear" missions they will not perform.

        Chill out Hallo, we might think that you dont like Dave
        I do not like program, lead to absurdity.
        (i also do not like the plane because it is simply ugly, but it is not an operational point of view i admit)

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        • SpudmanWP
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2009
          • 5288

          Latest Hot Bay issue. Short version, Flight releases should have already been released. They may include envelope limitations or a shorter weapon life (or needed maint for weapon). No mention of having to open the bay periodically.

          • F-35A Flight Sciences Assessment
          - The Air Force airworthiness authorities are analyzing strain loads, flutter (from flight envelope expansion), weapons separations, and weapons bay acoustic and environmental data to determine the acceptable and safe envelope for flight operations and weapons carriage and employment, with both internal and external weapons stores.
          ▪ The program expects to complete analysis and provide Block 3F military flight releases by late CY17, first for fielded Lot 9 aircraft and 2 months later for OT aircraft, which were produced in earlier lots.
          - The full planned F-35A Block 3F envelope is up to Mach 1.6, and 700 knots, and 9.0 g. Whether airworthiness authorities will clear the F-35A for the full planned envelope, for all planned configurations, without limitations remains to be determined.
          ▪ Aerodynamic loads and environmental conditions within the weapons bay have either caused flight certification authorities to impose limitations to the weapons envelope or have caused weapon vendors to impose life limits on the weapons. Excessive temperatures in the weapons bay at low altitudes while at high speeds may result in speed and time restrictions when carrying internal weapons.
          Last report (reasons are classified)
          You do love taking things out of context, huh.

          The assessment revealed several problems with the employment of air-to-air missiles in the Block 2B and Block 3i configurations. The test team discovered several classified missile integration problems as well as pilot‑identified deficiencies with the controls and displays that affected the combat capability of the F-35 to support the kill chain.

          ...

          Most of the AMRAAM events were completed using work-arounds to mitigate limitations induced by outstanding deficiencies that compromised the combat capability of the weapons employment. The JPO, contractor, Services, and JOTT are assessing these weapons integration deficiencies so that problems can be addressed prior to entry into IOT&E and subsequent fielding.
          Did you miss the Block 2B/3i part or that no mention of it being there in Block 3F or that it will be fixed before IOT&E?

          On wingtips ? Lol
          um, who cares? Having a restricted view does not keep the Raptor from smoking everything under the sun, even with Aim-9Ms and a more restrictive FOV.

          Canada's missions will not in any manner require a VLO airframe. Only interesting for "tip of the spear" missions they will not perform.
          Tell that to planes that were shot down well after the 1st day in Lybia, Iraq, Syria, etc.

          Do try and keep up.
          Last edited by SpudmanWP; 19th February 2018, 19:32.
          "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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          • djcross
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2000
            • 5436

            The F-35 program is at the point Gen. Bogdan warned about.

            The contractor has completed envelope expansion and weapons separation testing.

            The F-35 program now waits on MDFs, which are the responsibility of the 35th EWS at Eglin AFB. And will wait some more. And continue to wait. But there is no contractor to blame for the delays.

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            • bring_it_on
              2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
              • Jun 2004
              • 12480

              I believe the program has finally added contractor support to work on the MDFs.
              Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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              • topspeed
                Get on uppah !
                • Jan 2009
                • 2656

                Hefty price for the Super Hornet...290,5 mio USD a piece; https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...nment-confirms
                If it looks good, it will fly good !
                -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


                http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

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                • SpudmanWP
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 5288

                  Each FMS deal is relatively unique and unless it's broken down, you will not get a true picture of the costs. In the above example it is obvious that it includes a lot more than the Super Hornet itself. Some FMS deals include these costs up front and others include them in followup weapons, parts, and support deals.
                  "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                    Canada will get the F-35 in the end. Then we will all think back and wonder why we wasted so much time on something that was inevitable.....

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                    • Spitfire9
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 2825

                      Airbus, Boeing indicate they may pull out of Canada fighter jet race - sources


                      Boeing and Airbus have now formally written to Ottawa expressing concerns about the current requirements, said two sources familiar with the matter who declined to be identified given the sensitivity of the situation.
                      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1U32EX
                      Sum ergo cogito

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