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By: - 22nd February 2016 at 00:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Su-30SM is essentially a twin seat version of Su-35S, but has canards and wide angle HUD. It is Russia's newest fighter.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 01:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
JF-17 is excellent, has DSI. Gripen don't have DSI.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 02:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Su-30SM is essentially a twin seat version of Su-35S, but has canards and wide angle HUD. It is Russia's newest fighter.
Errrrrr.... no...
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 02:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Errrrrr.... no...
ye, same technology
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 03:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Su-30SM is essentially a twin seat version of Su-35S,NO it is not
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 04:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Su-30SM is more similar to Su-34 than Su-35S. Different localities for production, Su-30SM has Su-34's reinforced framing. Similar engines, although Su-30SM didn't opt for FM2, nor do they seem destined to use FM3. Much stronger hard points compared to Su-35S. Weapons suite optimized for two man crew. Su-30SM has larger fuel load, too.
Su-35S is optimized for a ground crew smaller than Su-30SM, uses one pilot, depends on automation to maintain single seat operations,, and has engines with better longevity and fewer overhaul cycles.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 04:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I can only hope Iran would opt for Su-30 when T-50 is reaching export-level maturity. I would feel much better if Iran went the Su-30/MiG-29/JF-17 route, because it's nice and watered down. It certainly is much better for us than if they adopt T-50 in an all heavies buy.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 08:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The only possible way to justify a three-tier combat air arm for Iran is by using multiple vendor nations for strategic reasons and if one of the three is a cross-breed trainer/light attack craft like Yak-130.
In any case, unless Pakistan has decided to distance itself from Saudi Arabia, JF-17 will not be heading to Iran.
Given that Su-30SME seems to be at least one of the directions Iran is heading in, J-10 is the other platform that might make sense in the short-term to constitute a hi-lo mix. Or, given that Iran appears to want local production of Su-30, and doesn't seem nearly as fussed about armaments as most nations in the region, it could well be that they occupy themselves with the Su-30SME project for another decade at modest induction rates, and then shift to either T-50 or J-31 according to the political winds at the time.
Incidentally, I wouldn't be surprised if the choice of Su-30 over Su-35 was driven at least in part by the much broader userbase of the former (esp. India) and consequently greater flexibility in acquiring spares. Once bitten, twice shy.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 09:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think the two seats is the most obvious reason, plus platform maturity.
They have a larger two seat than single seat fleet IIRC.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 09:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Assuming Russo-Iranian relations continue to bloom for the next ten years, and the T-50 project prove successful, a deal is highly likely. But before that happens I would expect a lot of Flanker and Fulcrum sales. Russia may see this as a great opportunity to make Iran buy some MiG-35s, perhaps a big fat production license as pre-condition for other stuff Iran will want, like Su-35 and S-400.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 11:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
From what I understand Iran cannot procure offensive system like Fighter Aircraft or other ( but only defensive system like SAM ) as per UNSC resolution and any procurement has to pass through UNSC members approving it and resolution is valid till 2020.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 11:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
In any case, unless Pakistan has decided to distance itself from Saudi Arabia, JF-17 will not be heading to Iran.
Maybe no JF-17 but certainly FC-1 can be sold by China. Puts Pakistan in a good position too, either Arab air forces buy it or let them sell it to Iran.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 12:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe no JF-17 but certainly FC-1 can be sold by China. Puts Pakistan in a good position too, either Arab air forces buy it or let them sell it to Iran.
JF-17 is FC-1 customized for Pakistan. Pakistan produces nothing. Has no technology.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 12:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
JF-17 is FC-1 customized for Pakistan. Pakistan produces nothing. Has no technology.
Than it shouldn't be a problem to sell it to Iran.
Can it come straight off the line in China to Iran with out any Pakistani involvement or is the only production line is in Pakistan?
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 13:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Than it shouldn't be a problem to sell it to Iran.Can it come straight off the line in China to Iran with out any Pakistani involvement or is the only production line is in Pakistan?
Pakistan has no production line. Pakistan assembles parts of JF-17 supplied from China, like how India assembles parts of Su-30MKI from Russia.
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 15:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Pakistan has no production line. Pakistan assembles parts of JF-17 supplied from China, like how India assembles parts of Su-30MKI from Russia.
That is absolutely not true. India manufactures a large portion of SU30 from raw materials in India. Similarly Pakistan have exclusive rights on production of around 58% of the airframe in Pakistan. In both cases its not just assembly but manufacturing from raw materials.
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) holds the exclusive rights of 58% of JF-17 airframe co-production work.
http://www.pac.org.pk/jf-17
Tanvir says 60% of the airframe and 80% of the avionics will be indigenously produced by 2010, boosting Pakistan's budding manufacturing industry.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pakistan-starts-domestic-production-of-jf-17-fighter-221052/
By: - 22nd February 2016 at 23:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
From what I understand Iran cannot procure offensive system like Fighter Aircraft or other ( but only defensive system like SAM ) as per UNSC resolution and any procurement has to pass through UNSC members approving it and resolution is valid till 2020.
That's true, but it's not like Iran can build anything in 5 years anyways. They're way behind even India and Pakistan.
By: - 23rd February 2016 at 01:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That's true, but it's not like Iran can build anything in 5 years anyways. They're way behind even India and Pakistan.
Iran received massive tech transfer from the US prior to the 1979 revolution and has used that industrial base to maintain and upgrade aircraft in service to the present day. In broader development terms Iran is light-years ahead of both Pakistan and India with higher HDI than China, Turkey, or Brazil -- an impressive performance considering it has been achieved in spite of wide ranging sanctions/isolation from both the west and Arab neighbours.
By: - 23rd February 2016 at 03:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
JF-17 is excellent, has DSI. Gripen don't have DSI.
hmm, but then Flanker and Pak-fa also doesn't have DSI..what are you trying to say?
By: - 23rd February 2016 at 03:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
hmm, but then Flanker and Pak-fa also doesn't have DSI..what are you trying to say?
No twin engined plane has DSI. JF-17 and F-35 are single engined planes that have DSI.
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By: Captain Ouuf - 22nd February 2016 at 00:53
In the heavy fighter class, Su-30SM is confirmed to replace F-14A.
In the medium fighter class, MiG-35 is likely replacement for MiG-29A.
In the light fighter class, JF-17 is likely replacement for F-5.