By: Jō Asakura
- 30th January 2016 at 13:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Speaking of OKB Tupоlev, here's their 'VR design room':
...and the Su-35S was Russia's first military all-digital "paperless" design:
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By: Berkut
- 30th January 2016 at 17:05Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well well well. Looks like the obscene "Park Patriot" has claimed another victim; the unique Monino museum. It is scheduled to be closed and the "hard to move" stuff will utilized. IE T-4, M-50 etc, all gone.
You all bet your ass that in a few years we wont have Monino, MAKS or RAE all because of the retarded Park Patriot.
By: Deino
- 30th January 2016 at 17:57Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sorry ... "Park Patriot" ?ß Never heard of it !
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By: Berkut
- 30th January 2016 at 18:47Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
More like "Park Idiot". Anyway it is an obscene thing that first opened last summer, it is in Kubinka. Had loads of tanks on static and live display, had fighters doing bombing and whatnot etc. Planes on display too, stands showing new tech etc. As correctly said by Monino people on FB; "Military Disneyland".
By: TR1
- 30th January 2016 at 20:05Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The tank and vehicle display at Park Patriot is great, they cleaned up a lot of vehicles.
RAE is more about marketing than a domestic display like Patriot, but I suppose they could merge the two.
But closing down Monino?!?! I refuse to believe the big stuff will be scrapped. :( !
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By: Berkut
- 30th January 2016 at 22:20Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
But closing down Monino?!?! I refuse to believe the big stuff will be scrapped. :( !
By: Flanker_man
- 31st January 2016 at 09:39Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I hope it doesn't come to pass - Monino only had a major facelift in 2011 - with a new museum block following a fire there.
All the GPW airframes are now inside a display hangar - and the outside airframes are slowly being given a facelift (although not always accurately!)....
........ AND.......
Kubinka is a couple of hours drive west of Moscow - so not so easy to get to.
By: blackwood
- 31st January 2016 at 13:05Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Don't even know what to make of their last postings. Need to read that with a clear head tomorrow.
In the meantime, something to soothe the asspain:
Report on Syrian web site, Su-35s flown to Syria???.
I wonder how try this is.
Or just bad reporting, anybody have the true story
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By: Anonymous
- 31st January 2016 at 14:07Permalink- Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
No idea, but now that the Su-35S finally has RF countermeasures, why not? The lack thereof appeared to me to be the main reason why they sent the Su-30SM for fighter cover initially (note how they immediately appeared in theatre with Su-30MKM-style pods).
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By: Berkut
- 31st January 2016 at 16:18Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No idea, but now that the Su-35S finally has RF countermeasures, why not? The lack thereof appeared to me to be the main reason why they sent the Su-30SM for fighter cover initially (note how they immediately appeared in theatre with Su-30MKM-style pods).
Um. How about the fact that when the Syrian campaign started there was not a single frame doing, or able to do, combat duty/QRA? I would say that is a pretty damn good reason to send Su-30SM's instead of Su-35S'... It had absolutely nothing to do with ECM pods. First 2 frames only went on combat duty like 5 weeks ago. And they are already sending them to Syria...
By: WinterStars
- 31st January 2016 at 17:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Um. How about the fact that when the Syrian campaign started there was not a single frame doing, or able to do, combat duty/QRA? I would say that is a pretty damn good reason to send Su-30SM's instead of Su-35S'... It had absolutely nothing to do with ECM pods. First 2 frames only went on combat duty like 5 weeks ago. And they are already sending them to Syria...
What have those airframes been doing so far, out of the almost 50 airframes with only four being combat capable?
Don't they have functional Radar ? or are wired for weapons etc etc ..?
By: Marcellogo
- 31st January 2016 at 18:17Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What have those airframes been doing so far, out of the almost 50 airframes with only four being combat capable?
Don't they have functional Radar ? or are wired for weapons etc etc ..?
It just take a lot of time to make the crew proficient in the use of a completely new type of plane.
By: Dr.Snufflebug
- 31st January 2016 at 19:21Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I hope it doesn't come to pass - Monino only had a major facelift in 2011 - with a new museum block following a fire there.
The hangar looks great, but the open-air display is a bit of a mess and doesn't do a lot of the highly unique machines there much justice. In my wet dreams I see a slicker museum with more hangars, more historically accurate paintjobs and some nice elevated walkways and so on...
Considering how much money they've splashed out on this Patriot disneyland, surely that's doable too.
By: JSR
- 31st January 2016 at 19:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What have those airframes been doing so far, out of the almost 50 airframes with only four being combat capable?
Don't they have functional Radar ? or are wired for weapons etc etc ..?
the technological difference between Su-35 and Su-30SM is quite big if not huge. it is almost JSTAR quality radar. greater capability for ground survellence at longer ranges plus higher acceleration and altitude will give much more range to AAMs.
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By: Berkut
- 31st January 2016 at 19:40Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What have those airframes been doing so far, out of the almost 50 airframes with only four being combat capable?
Don't they have functional Radar ? or are wired for weapons etc etc ..?
Mostly sitting on the ground and being modified several times at KnAAZ. (no, i am not joking)
By: KRATOS1133
- 31st January 2016 at 20:22Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: Anonymous
- 31st January 2016 at 22:10Permalink- Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
It had absolutely nothing to do with ECM pods.
I'll readily defer to your superior sources, but I would not be surprised if the two were indeed related. After all, for a 4.5 generation fighter it would hardly strike me as odd if one of the points on the tick list for declaring combat readiness read "Operational RF countermeasures capability", right? Perhaps it wasn't the only item still unchecked, perhaps it wasn't even the most pressing, but mentioning it definitely doesn't warrant that kind of aggressive tone.
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By: Berkut
- 31st January 2016 at 22:50Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Your post made no sense because it would need a time machine in order for what you said to be true. And 01/02 which are the first combat ready frames doesnt have ECM pods installed, so there is that.
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By: Jō Asakura - 30th January 2016 at 13:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Speaking of OKB Tupоlev, here's their 'VR design room':
...and the Su-35S was Russia's first military all-digital "paperless" design:
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By: Berkut - 30th January 2016 at 17:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well well well. Looks like the obscene "Park Patriot" has claimed another victim; the unique Monino museum. It is scheduled to be closed and the "hard to move" stuff will utilized. IE T-4, M-50 etc, all gone.
You all bet your ass that in a few years we wont have Monino, MAKS or RAE all because of the retarded Park Patriot.
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By: Deino - 30th January 2016 at 17:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sorry ... "Park Patriot" ?ß Never heard of it !
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By: Berkut - 30th January 2016 at 18:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
More like "Park Idiot". Anyway it is an obscene thing that first opened last summer, it is in Kubinka. Had loads of tanks on static and live display, had fighters doing bombing and whatnot etc. Planes on display too, stands showing new tech etc. As correctly said by Monino people on FB; "Military Disneyland".
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By: TR1 - 30th January 2016 at 20:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The tank and vehicle display at Park Patriot is great, they cleaned up a lot of vehicles.
RAE is more about marketing than a domestic display like Patriot, but I suppose they could merge the two.
But closing down Monino?!?! I refuse to believe the big stuff will be scrapped. :( !
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By: Berkut - 30th January 2016 at 22:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Read up on it here; https://www.facebook.com/historyairforce/?_rdr=p
****** up situation.
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By: stealthflanker - 31st January 2016 at 06:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The F... and i haven't even visited Monino before D:
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By: Flanker_man - 31st January 2016 at 09:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I hope it doesn't come to pass - Monino only had a major facelift in 2011 - with a new museum block following a fire there.
All the GPW airframes are now inside a display hangar - and the outside airframes are slowly being given a facelift (although not always accurately!)....
........ AND.......
Kubinka is a couple of hours drive west of Moscow - so not so easy to get to.
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By: TR1 - 31st January 2016 at 10:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Don't even know what to make of their last postings. Need to read that with a clear head tomorrow.
In the meantime, something to soothe the asspain:
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By: blackwood - 31st January 2016 at 13:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Report on Syrian web site, Su-35s flown to Syria???.
I wonder how try this is.
Or just bad reporting, anybody have the true story
By: Anonymous - 31st January 2016 at 14:07 Permalink - Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
No idea, but now that the Su-35S finally has RF countermeasures, why not? The lack thereof appeared to me to be the main reason why they sent the Su-30SM for fighter cover initially (note how they immediately appeared in theatre with Su-30MKM-style pods).
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By: Berkut - 31st January 2016 at 16:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Um. How about the fact that when the Syrian campaign started there was not a single frame doing, or able to do, combat duty/QRA? I would say that is a pretty damn good reason to send Su-30SM's instead of Su-35S'... It had absolutely nothing to do with ECM pods. First 2 frames only went on combat duty like 5 weeks ago. And they are already sending them to Syria...
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By: WinterStars - 31st January 2016 at 17:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What have those airframes been doing so far, out of the almost 50 airframes with only four being combat capable?
Don't they have functional Radar ? or are wired for weapons etc etc ..?
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By: Marcellogo - 31st January 2016 at 18:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It just take a lot of time to make the crew proficient in the use of a completely new type of plane.
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By: Dr.Snufflebug - 31st January 2016 at 19:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The hangar looks great, but the open-air display is a bit of a mess and doesn't do a lot of the highly unique machines there much justice. In my wet dreams I see a slicker museum with more hangars, more historically accurate paintjobs and some nice elevated walkways and so on...
Considering how much money they've splashed out on this Patriot disneyland, surely that's doable too.
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By: JSR - 31st January 2016 at 19:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
the technological difference between Su-35 and Su-30SM is quite big if not huge. it is almost JSTAR quality radar. greater capability for ground survellence at longer ranges plus higher acceleration and altitude will give much more range to AAMs.
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By: Berkut - 31st January 2016 at 19:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mostly sitting on the ground and being modified several times at KnAAZ. (no, i am not joking)
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By: KRATOS1133 - 31st January 2016 at 20:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
By: Anonymous - 31st January 2016 at 22:10 Permalink - Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
I'll readily defer to your superior sources, but I would not be surprised if the two were indeed related. After all, for a 4.5 generation fighter it would hardly strike me as odd if one of the points on the tick list for declaring combat readiness read "Operational RF countermeasures capability", right? Perhaps it wasn't the only item still unchecked, perhaps it wasn't even the most pressing, but mentioning it definitely doesn't warrant that kind of aggressive tone.
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By: Berkut - 31st January 2016 at 22:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Your post made no sense because it would need a time machine in order for what you said to be true. And 01/02 which are the first combat ready frames doesnt have ECM pods installed, so there is that.