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  • LMFS
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    • Feb 2018
    • 519

    Russia developing most advanced long-range radar aircraft, says chief designer

    Chief Designer of Vega Group Vladimir Verba said that in principle, "it will take at least ten years for any country to implement such a program"


    MOSCOW, May 30. /TASS/. Russia is a leader in developing strategic long-range radar aircraft, Holder of the Russian Academy of Sciences Academician Alexander Raspletin Award, Chief Designer of Vega Group, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Vladimir Verba told TASS on Thursday.
    "No state in the world has set a task before industry to create a new generation of strategic long-range radar aircraft. In principle, it will take at least ten years for any country to implement such a program," the chief designer said.
    "The basic efforts of our foreign counterparts are focused on modernizing existing and adjusting available technologies for lighter carriers of radar systems. Meanwhile, we have already fulfilled the modernization task and have made the best use of the A-50 platform, upgrading it to the level of the A-50U and already six planes have started to accomplish missions for Russias Aerospace Force. That is, we are a priori leaders in this area," he noted.
    The scientist received the award for a cycle of scientific works on substantiating the areas of developing and the principles of constructing and operating a new-generation multiservice airborne platform of radar surveillance and guidance as an information and control system. The A-100 Premier multirole radar surveillance and guidance aircraft platform developed by Vega Group is at the initial stage of its trials.
    "We still have to go through a laborious and lengthy process of confirming operational characteristics set by the specifications and testing the systems interaction with other resources and capabilities of Russias Aerospace Force in various theaters of operations. This is multi-factor and large-scale work with great variation in the time frame of achieving interim results. I am confident in one thing: the work will be completed in compliance with the schedule agreed with the customer," the scientist stressed.

    More:
    http://tass.com/science/1060917

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    • panzerfeist1
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      • Feb 2018
      • 396

      https://www.armyrecognition.com/octo..._missiles.html

      "The Defense Ministry said it drafted new rules for the transportation of military cargoes that need protection. It said a corresponding order is to be signed by the minister by the end of the year. Besides explosives, munitions, arms and hardware, it has yet another category including laser and ionizing emission sources. The latter include nuclear reactors, Roentgen devices and nuclear plants which power super long-range cruise missiles, underwater attack craft and combat lasers."

      long range cruise missiles I suggest Burevestnik, underwater attack craft I suggest subs with nuclear reactors......Combat lasers. Does anyone know if there are other sources that suggest lasers using nuclear energy because this is making me believe that the peresvet laser has a mobile nuclear reactor.

      https://newatlas.com/nickel-nuclear-battery-design/54884/ https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/03/russia-claims-100-times-smaller-nuclear-reactor-than-submarine-reactors-but-with-more-power.html

      I am not doubting their ability to harness nuclear energy but is this info correct and does anyone have Russian sources to which army recognition has got this from because its saying this same nuclear company is now dealing with combat lasers(supposedly peresvet) besides missiles like burevestnik and subs. I believe diesel power generators are used for long range SAMs I am just curious on the possibility of them powering SAMs in the future.
      I thought the fall of western civilization was a tragedy, now I realize it's a comedy.

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      • ActionJackson
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        • Oct 2010
        • 289

        Mobile dirty bombs in close proximity to your own troops. That would be really smart

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        • panzerfeist1
          Rank 6 Registered User
          • Feb 2018
          • 396

          Get killed by adversary missiles or get killed by dirty bombs in close proximity whats the difference anyways choosing the way you die? The rules are the same dont get hit. knock out a diesel generator radars wont get powered launchers will be inoperable whole crew is dead basically. Dirty bomb gets destroyed the same crew is screwed the same way. eat your food slow or fast it ends up in your stomache the same way.But if you are hoping for survivors maybe distance can be applied from a mobile nuclear reactor with SAM crew having radiation suits, etc, etc.
          Last edited by panzerfeist1; 31st May 2019, 15:03.
          I thought the fall of western civilization was a tragedy, now I realize it's a comedy.

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          • panzerfeist1
            Rank 6 Registered User
            • Feb 2018
            • 396

            http://www.rusarmyexpo.com/demo-events What equipment they will demonstrate.

            http://www.rusarmyexpo.com/file_new....df&size=657678 And this is their floor plan. There are mentions of UAVs in there but also lasers so hopefully some info on the Peresvet can come out later
            I thought the fall of western civilization was a tragedy, now I realize it's a comedy.

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            • archangelski
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              • Jul 2013
              • 2384

              Ka-92 mock-up in the background ?

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              • LMFS
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                • Feb 2018
                • 519

                Zvezda documentary about the Tu-22M3M:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GbtjgPYxGw

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                • panzerfeist1
                  Rank 6 Registered User
                  • Feb 2018
                  • 396

                  Speaking of Tu-22M3M https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3662745.html



                  "Sight ST-22-1 is designed for use on land and sea targets and is equipped with automatic capture and target tracking devices.OJSC "Peleng" provided only limited information about ST-22-1, which was officially designated in the exhibition as "television system".It is reported that the CT-22-1 has four switchable fields of view - wide (8 6 ), medium (4 3 ), narrow (2 1.5 ) and two-fold narrow (1 0 , 75 ) - in all cases with independent stabilization in the vertical and horizontal planes.According to the manufacturer, a narrow installation of the field of view allows you to detect a target the size of a tank at a distance of 15 km with a probability of up to 90%.

                  The sight optics has a range from -40 to + 70 vertically and 30 in the longitudinal direction, with a maximum speed of movement of 30 per second and a minimum speed of tracking the target within the line of sight of only 0.05 per second."
                  I thought the fall of western civilization was a tragedy, now I realize it's a comedy.

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                  • LMFS
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                    • Feb 2018
                    • 519

                    About the documentary:

                    - They say 80% of the plane's equipment have been changed. It will be common to a great extent with Tu-160M2
                    - IFR probe is back
                    - Two units are being modernized to speed-up the tests
                    - They show some cool images of the modernization process, including filming inside of the "guts" of the plane

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                    • LMFS
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                      • Feb 2018
                      • 519

                      Originally posted by archangelski View Post
                      Ka-92 mock-up in the background ?
                      They said they would show the draft design of Minoga to the MoD beginning of 2019:

                      https://www.vpk-news.ru/news/42138

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                      • wilhelm
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                        • Dec 2004
                        • 1658

                        Originally posted by archangelski View Post
                        Ka-92 mock-up in the background ?
                        That has the Naval ensign on the side..and grey paint...so the Lamprey naval helicopter rather?

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                        • Dr.Snufflebug
                          Boggleboople snufflebug
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 527

                          Originally posted by wilhelm View Post

                          That has the Naval ensign on the side..and grey paint...so the Lamprey naval helicopter rather?
                          And the full naval "МА ВМФ РОССИИ" spelled out across the tail boom, as if it were an actual in-service item. Odd, really. Previous Kamov mock-ups have had the typical star roundels and all, but they've been sporting in-house camos (one of which I detest the RuAF for not catching on to) and everything, and no hint of any "official-ness". That airframe, whatever it is, simply looks unusually "official" so to speak.
                          Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 6th June 2019, 13:33.
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                          • archangelski
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                            • Jul 2013
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                            Originally posted by wilhelm View Post

                            That has the Naval ensign on the side..and grey paint...so the Lamprey naval helicopter rather?
                            You're probably right, thank you :

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                            • Dr.Snufflebug
                              Boggleboople snufflebug
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 527

                              Originally posted by archangelski View Post

                              You're probably right, thank you :
                              The full-scale mockup in the photograph is just slightly larger than the Ka-226 in front of it. Nowhere near as large as that model implies (8 windows etc).

                              So... A smaller version?
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                              • Trident
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                                • May 2004
                                • 3965

                                Originally posted by Dr.Snufflebug View Post

                                The full-scale mockup in the photograph is just slightly larger than the Ka-226 in front of it. Nowhere near as large as that model implies (8 windows etc).

                                So... A smaller version?
                                The bort-# 092 is a hint

                                As for the mystery airframe, definitely Minoga and Butowski believes it's not just a mock-up but the real deal:

                                https://aviationweek.com/awindefense...e-construction

                                Not sure about that, unless it's simply a white protective tarp covering the engine/transmission bay this doesn't look like a real airframe internally.

                                There was *some* justification for thinking Ka-92 if you didn't pay attention to the insignia, though. The empennage (seen stored separately behind the Ka-226 in that photo) has apparently been changed to an end-plate configuration resembling the Ka-92 or Eurocopter X-3 (or indeed Kamov's own Helix series, for that matter) from the Hokum-like single fin seen on Minoga CGIs to date.
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                                • LMFS
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                                  • Feb 2018
                                  • 519

                                  Well, I have not read much about the specifics of Minoga, but as far as I know nothing impedes it and Ka-92 from having many common elements. In fact if you would design a helicopter for the VMF now, it would make sense to make it faster incorporating the thoughts developed during the long years of the high speed helicopter programs in Russia instead of letting all those thoughts go nowhere. The layout of that mock-up resembles Ka-92 a lot and seems completely compatible with the tail propellers, or am I missing something?

                                  EDIT: even BMPD seem to be considering both designs the same or simply confusing them:




                                  Image supposedly promising Maritime helicopter, "Lamprey", created by JSC "Kamov" (C) a frame from the official presentation of the Ministry of torgovo and industry of the Russian Federation






                                  Features turbulentnogo engine TV7-117ВК development of JSC "Klimov" and project the image of early new Maritime helicopter, "Lamprey", created by JSC "Kamov", 2015 (C) frame from the presentation of JSC "United engine Corporation" (UEC)


                                  https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3663901.html
                                  Last edited by LMFS; 6th June 2019, 21:12.

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                                  • stealthflanker
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                                    • Sep 2015
                                    • 1016

                                    Do we have any, news on possible upgrade options for KNAAPO Su-30 family ? As known KNAAPO at one point made a two seater Sukhoi, the Su-30M family which become Su-30MKK,MK2 and MK3 with other variants like MK2, MK2V, MKV and older Su-27 like Su-27SKM. These flankers are similar in terms of avionics and capability. With Mk2 have more options for maritime strike. However in coming decades or less, these aircrafts will require modernization, Like N001 Radar, this set may no longer have any future compared to the other sets like Bars or Irbis. the Pastel RHAWS may need modernization too, mainly to contend increasing trend of fighter radars going ESA.

                                    Currently as far as i know for Indonesian flankers, only Extension program exist, which overhauls and zero the airframe after 2000 hrs and engine after 1500 hrs. But no additional capability. I wonder if Russia's upgrade on Su-30SM can also made way to Su-30M variants.

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                                    • flateric
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                                      • Jun 2006
                                      • 701

                                      Originally posted by archangelski View Post

                                      You're probably right, thank you :
                                      This is Ka-92 PSV model from 2007. Has nothing to to with Minoga.

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                                      • haavarla
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Dec 2008
                                        • 6695

                                        Originally posted by stealthflanker View Post
                                        Do we have any, news on possible upgrade options for KNAAPO Su-30 family ? As known KNAAPO at one point made a two seater Sukhoi, the Su-30M family which become Su-30MKK,MK2 and MK3 with other variants like MK2, MK2V, MKV and older Su-27 like Su-27SKM. These flankers are similar in terms of avionics and capability. With Mk2 have more options for maritime strike. However in coming decades or less, these aircrafts will require modernization, Like N001 Radar, this set may no longer have any future compared to the other sets like Bars or Irbis. the Pastel RHAWS may need modernization too, mainly to contend increasing trend of fighter radars going ESA.

                                        Currently as far as i know for Indonesian flankers, only Extension program exist, which overhauls and zero the airframe after 2000 hrs and engine after 1500 hrs. But no additional capability. I wonder if Russia's upgrade on Su-30SM can also made way to Su-30M variants.
                                        KnAAZ Su-30's was upgraded(new production airframe too) as the Su-30M2 series, it has the exact same Cockpit instrumentation layout(and same N001VE radar upgrade?) as the new production and upgrade Su-27SM3, back in 2011-2014 year.
                                        Its a less costly modernization over the Su-35S or Su-30SM variants.

                                        However there was reports that KnAAZ has overhauled two older Flankers to something very similar the the Su-35S in terms of capability.
                                        Not sure if this was only to see what kind of cost prospect are involved, IMO is it even worth the Bucks..
                                        Thanks

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                                        • LMFS
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                                          • Feb 2018
                                          • 519

                                          The source told about the plans of the parallel procurement of the su-57 and su-35

                                          MOSCOW, 10 Jul RIA Novosti. The Ministry of defence will continue the procurement of su-35 after completion of the current contract in parallel with the procurement of the fifth generation aircraft su-57, told RIA Novosti source in the defense Ministry.
                                          The first contract for the supply of 48 su-35 was made in the end of 2015, was also signed a second agreement for another 50 such machines.
                                          According to Deputy defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko, the second contract will be finished by the end of next year, the aerospace defence forces stayed put for another 20 fighters of the 4++generation.

                                          ria.ru/20190610/1555427059.html

                                          Unclear to me of how many units they are talking and in what term they would be bought, since the 20 they mention are the ones missing from the second contract. But in all logic, the existing regiments equipped with Su-27 should be upgraded to Su-35 in the following years.

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