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  • Dr.Snufflebug
    Boggleboople snufflebug
    • Aug 2012
    • 521

    MiG-31 with a new ASAT weapon?

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    • panzerfeist1
      Rank 6 Registered User
      • Feb 2018
      • 339

      rocket propelled UAVs. http://tass.com/defense/1023681
      I thought the fall of western civilization was a tragedy, now I realize it's a comedy.

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      • rpgtype7v
        Rank 4 Registered User
        • Jan 2018
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        • xena
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Nov 2012
          • 140

          Can someone please translate the data of the missile?

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          • totoro
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Apr 2006
            • 1022

            I don't speak much Russian but I'll try:

            Maximum range 380 km
            Maximum range against ballistic missiles of MRBM class 15 km
            Minimum range 5 km
            Maximum altitude 30 km
            Minimum altitude 100 m
            Average speed of missile during flight 1190 m/s
            Mass of the container with missile: 2600 kg
            Mass of the missile: 1893 kg
            Dimensions of the container 7825mm long, 1000mm in diameter
            Lifespan of missile sealed in container: 15 years



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            • Dr.Snufflebug
              Boggleboople snufflebug
              • Aug 2012
              • 521

              That datasheet is for the active homing 40N6E missile for the S-400... Totally unrelated.

              The MiG carries a (mockup?) ASAT missile of a new kind, possibly based on the "Ishim" project/concept, which in turn was based on "Kontakt" (30P6) from the 1980's. Designed to disable objects in low-earth orbits up to 600km.

              Basically a Russian ASM-135, in other words.
              Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 2nd October 2018, 12:22.
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              • St. John
                Rank 4 Registered User
                • Jan 2018
                • 568

                Surely the missile pictured is also a 48H6 on that datasheet?

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                • totoro
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 1022

                  The missile pictured should be 40N6. It doesn't look as if the data refers to something else.

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                  • xena
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 140

                    Thank you totoro.

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                    • stealthflanker
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Sep 2015
                      • 1007

                      and i dont think there would be much of difference in shape between 40N6 and 48N6 given the 1985 R&D shows that 48N6 can also reach 400 Km.

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                      • paralay
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 1396

                        The missile 48N6 has one level and a range of 150 - 250 km
                        40Н6, presumably, two steps and a range of 400 km
                        Last edited by paralay; 4th October 2018, 14:43.

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                        • stealthflanker
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Sep 2015
                          • 1007

                          Well, not a good news :x

                          https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20181005/1530022992.html


                          I suggest using Google Translate or our Russian natives can kindly provide better interpretation. The news related to that Indonesian Su-35 deal which threaten by delay due to fact that having business with Russia will subject us to CAATSA. This would means US companies might stop doing business with ours which basically a pain given no real substitute for something like google and yahoo. Despite Gen Matthis's insistence that we be exempt from it. My take however is perhaps lost in information where the reporter interview source which having outdated information.

                          Should that proven to be true it would be a world of hurt as we doesn't really have exit plan and whatever Western offers seems to not taking account that we might face Chinese AEW, stealth fighters and hordes of cruise missiles.

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                          • totoro
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 1022

                            [quote]The missile 48N6 has one level and a range of 150 - 250 km
                            40Н6, presumably, two steps and a range of 400 km[/quote]

                            Why presume 40N6 is a two stage missile? What basis is there for it?

                            We can assume the infographic is fake, sure. But if we assume it is correct then we have the container dimensions and weight of missile suggesting the missile is basically very similar to 48n6.

                            Furthermore, if we take the image shown as accurate, one can see that is a single stage missile.

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                            • paralay
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 1396

                              It is believed that 40N6 will be launched from a universal vertical launcher. Missile 48N6 is not retractable


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                              • rpgtype7v
                                Rank 4 Registered User
                                • Jan 2018
                                • 23

                                if you think about it- a 2 ton liquid fuel rocket could carry a 20kg satelite into orbit (1% payload). this missiles are solid fueled have heavy warheads ,but 9m82 is 4,6 tonns.

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                                • Dr.Snufflebug
                                  Boggleboople snufflebug
                                  • Aug 2012
                                  • 521

                                  Test flight bird crashed yesterday, a MiG-29UB from the Gromov institute. Pilot ejected and is fine.

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                                  • totoro
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Apr 2006
                                    • 1022

                                    [quote]It is believed that 40N6 will be launched from a universal vertical launcher. Missile 48N6 is not retractable[/quote]

                                    Believed by whom? While I agree it is plausible and likely that, as long as 40N6 is of similar/same dimensions as 48N6, it will find its way into some variant of UKSK. Eventually. (Can't find confirmation UKSK-M can already launch them)

                                    Don't know what "not retractable" means in this context, though.

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                                    • paralay
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Aug 2005
                                      • 1396

                                      the container of the missile 48N6 has a diameter of ~ 1 meter
                                      container UKSK - 0.72 m

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                                      • TomcatViP
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Nov 2011
                                        • 6008

                                        Originally posted by Dr.SnuffleBug
                                        Test flight bird crashed yesterday, a MiG-29UB from the Gromov institute. Pilot ejected and is fine.
                                        Is that some kind of UCAV related test (on the picture the Mig29 is single manned with the active pilot seated in the back)?

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                                        • St. John
                                          Rank 4 Registered User
                                          • Jan 2018
                                          • 568

                                          So if the 40N6 looks the same, what is this missile?
                                          http://www.ausairpower.net/PVO-SV/9M...Gyurosi-4S.jpg

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