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  • ClanWarrior
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    SU-34 use standard AL-31F or so i heard. No TVC at all.
    I can't imagine a Sukhoi fighter without some form of thrust vectoring. So what is the issue with the Su-34?

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    • haavarla
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      Clanworrier. The Su-34 is not a fighter, nor a Flanker. Its a tactical Frontline Bomber.
      Any reason it would need a TVC?
      Thanks

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      • Marcellogo
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        A follow-on to the already published news of a new contract for Su-30SM.





        Russia is to add more Su-30SMs to the VKS inventory, and they are likely to have more power with avionics technology from the Su-35 and Su-57.

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        • Marcellogo
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          What's happening there ? I've published my post on 15th of september but the Haavarla's one of the 12th is still showed like the last in the front page.

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          • djcross
            Rank 5 Registered User

            Refreshing the page several times will help.
            Expect a bug filled, slow forum until all the problems are resolved.

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            • Marcellogo
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              Infact they are slowed down considerably, now I left them unattended , do other thing, and came back after several minutes to check.

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              • hoapilot
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                Sad day of Ruaf, Rest in Peace crew of Il-20.
                https://www.rt.com/news/438686-syria-russia-s200-il20/
                The Russian military say the Israeli raid on Syria triggered a chain of events, which led to the shooting down of a Russian Il-20 plane by a Syrian S-200 surface-to-air missile. Moscow reserves the right to respond accordingly.
                " Spratly and Paracel islands belongs to Vietnam "
                " Hong Sa v Trường Sa l của Việt Nam "

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                • wilhelm
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                  I am trying to figure out the Yak-141 airframes that were built.
                  Wiki says 4 were built, which included a "test" airframe. I assume a static airframe?
                  Footage I have seen shows 75 and 77 on display at museums.
                  I have seen a claim that 75 on display is actually 77.
                  One Yak-141 crashed..I have seen it said this was rebuilt for display.
                  I have just come across a stored Yak-141 being loaded up onto a truck in a hangar surrounded by other Yak aircraft.
                  Does anyone know what the airframe numbers were..and where they ended up?
                  I ask this is light of various recent statements about a possible VTOL aircraft programme coming out of Russia recently.

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                  • paralay
                    Rank 5 Registered User

                    48-1 (№48)
                    48-2 (№75)
                    48-3 (№77) and (№141)

                    Prototypes The first flight specimen (article 48-2) in the Museum of Engineering of Vadim Zadorozhny The second flight specimen (product 48-3) in the Central Museum of the Russian Air Force Probable appearance of the two-seat training VTOL Yak-41UT In total, four [6] [7] experimental aircraft were built, of which two for test benches and two for flight tests. "Product 48-1" (airplane with b / n 48) - the first of a series of prototypes Yak-141, its assembly was completed in the first quarter of 1984. It was intended for tests at the booth of forces and moments (SSM), which included testing the functioning of the power plant and checking all the machine systems [4] [25]. Despite the presence of engines, he could not fly [22]. Testing of the product 48-1 began in September 1984 and continued until 1991. In their course, the work of the powerplant of the new "Yak", the influence of the hot exhaust gases both on the aircraft itself and on the arms suspended on the underwing pylons was thoroughly investigated. It was on the product 48-1 test pilot Sinitsyn first "live" got acquainted with the operation of the power plant of the new fighter. With the exception of the assembly, the product 48-1 was constantly in the LII. Gromov. In the early 1990s, its tail section was used to reconstruct the second aircraft that had suffered an accident [54]. "Product 48-2" (airplane with 75) is the first flight instance, the second one from the series of prototypes Yak-141, its assembly was completed in December 1985, and on May 5, 1986 the aircraft was delivered to the LII him. Gromov. The first flight of the product 48-2 was made on March 9, 1987 (the pilot Andrey Sinitsyn). For the first time was presented at the aerospace salon in Farnborough on September 6-13, 1992 with a new b / n 141, where he made demonstrative flights (the pilot Vladimir Yakimov). After that, it was demonstrated at the MAKS-93 and 95 air show, but only at the static exposition. Then the plane was exhibited in the museum Yakovlev Design Bureau. In July 2009, transferred to the Museum of Technology Vadim Zadorozhny, where he is currently. The aircraft has an old coloring, it is returned to old w / n 75, and on the underwing pylons hang models of missiles R-73 and R-27R. "Product 48-3" (airplane with b / n 77) is the third of a series of prototypes Yak-141 and chronologically the last, pre-series [9] flight specimen. Was finally assembled in June 1987. There were differences from the first car in the instrument cluster and the layout of the cockpit, as well as some differences in the design. I made the first flight on April 2, 1989 (the pilot Andrey Sinitsyn). October 5, 1991, crashed (pilot Vladimir Yakimov was not injured) and was later restored as a museum exhibit (in this case he received a b / n 141 and a new color). In this form, the aircraft was exhibited at the static exposition of the MAKS-93 airshow on its Moscow site (Khodynka Field). Now he is in the Central Museum of the Russian Air Force in Monino. The external evidence of that catastrophe is the lack of an engine engine. "48CI Product" (airplane without airborne number) - the last of a series of prototypes Yak-141, chronologically the third, was finally assembled in June 1986. It was used for static tests (that's why the SI letters in the title) [4], which lasted from September 5, 1986 to March 31, 1987. The test results were taken into account when assembling the product 48-3 and upgrading the product 48-2. The location of the 48CI product is currently unknown. In addition, at various times there were plans for the construction of several more experienced machines: "Product 48-4" and "Product 48-5" - according to the plan of 1984 they should have been equipped similarly to the product 48-3 [55]. "Product 48UT" and "Product 48UTSI" - respectively, flight specimen and a sample for static testing of the training version of the Yak-41 [55]. According to later plans, the construction of an experimental batch of 8 aircraft (1 sample for ground tests and 5 flight samples Yak-41M, as well as two Yak-41UT flight models) was planned at the Saratov aircraft plant. These plans have not been implemented [24]. However, according to some sources [56], the assembly of the first flight sample of the Yak-41UT was not only started, but was also brought to 85% of readiness for the time of the project's closure.
                    Last edited by paralay; 19th September 2018, 18:24.

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                    • wilhelm
                      Rank 5 Registered User

                      Thanks Paralay.
                      It says 4 airfames were built. 2 flying, 2 test airframes.
                      But only gives the history for 3.
                      Where is the 4th?
                      48-3 (77 and 141) and 48-2 (75) are in museums displayed outside.
                      48-1 had its rear section used to rebuild 48-3 (77 or 141).
                      Attached are some pics I found online, apparently happenings from within the last year, that I mentioned before.
                      It looks like a dusty stored airframe without engine is being transported.
                      It has its entire airframe, including rear and tail.
                      Any idea what airframe this is, and what is happening?
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                      Last edited by wilhelm; 20th September 2018, 16:35.

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                      • panzerfeist1
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                        Supposedly a s-300pmu2 is going to be deployed in Syria in 2 weeks. http://tass.com/defense/1022844

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                        • ijozic
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                          Originally posted by panzerfeist1
                          Supposedly a s-300pmu2 is going to be deployed in Syria in 2 weeks. http://tass.com/defense/1022844
                          They already have an S-400 system deployed. What the article actually says is that they will deliver the S-300 system to the Syrian Air Defense (which ordered it in 2013, but Israel put pressure on Russia not to deliver it).
                          Last edited by ijozic; 24th September 2018, 14:33.

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                          • JSR
                            JSR
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                            it says range greater than 250km. no export version of S300 designed for such range. anyhow they will go quietly for orderly exit of Chinese .

                            It is capable of intercepting air assault weapons at a distance of more than 250 kilometers and hit simultaneously several air targets," the minister said.

                            More:
                            http://tass.com/defense/1022844

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                            • edi_right_round
                              Rank 5 Registered User

                              Leaving this here.After Rafale seems a Su35 got the Raptor in the IRST.

                              https://defence-blog.com/news/russia...ver-syria.html

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                              • SpudmanWP
                                Rank 5 Registered User

                                obvious Photoshop... I wonder what video-game they pulled it off of?
                                "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                                • Levsha
                                  Rank 5 Registered User

                                  From Edi's post:

                                  Leaving this here.After Rafale seems a Su35 got the Raptor in the IRST.

                                  https://defence-blog.com/news/russia...ver-syria.htm
                                  A photographs posted by unofficial Russias military pilot Instagram account on 24 September has confirmed an intercept of the U.S. F-22 Raptor Raptor combat aircraft by the Russian Su-35S fighter jet.

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                                  • medo
                                    Rank 5 Registered User

                                    On the photo is not F-22, but F-35. It have one engine.

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                                    • stealthflanker
                                      Rank 5 Registered User

                                      At least no shooting game.

                                      and no..the weaknesses of IRST is that it is not able to measure range directly and not really "all weather" sensor solution.

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                                      • stealthflanker
                                        Rank 5 Registered User

                                        At least no shooting game.

                                        and no..the weaknesses of IRST is that it is not able to measure range directly and not really "all weather" sensor solution.

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                                        • ActionJackson
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                                          They spotted a F-22 raptor, not its wingman

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