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  • Austin
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    Syria Has Given the Russian Army a Rare Chance to Hone and Modernize Its Weapons

    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    • haavarla
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      Actually the subcontractors that build the tiniest parts have no clue what their contribution to the project does. They are just making parts to match design specs. The key is the tight control of the specs. You're actually improving your fundamental manufacturing base with this strategy, not wasting it.

      You are aware that most of Russian Heavy Industry is heavily senterlized(Money saved on time and transportation).
      There is no chance in hell that there will be a competitive domestic market of many different company for such USA sub-supplier style here.
      This stuff will in any case going to take several decades to improve and change upon.

      But lets talk about the Pros of the way the Russian way of producing their sh!t. The Russian State is very much involved on the execitive ownership of all the companies.

      Altough there is now more room for Private ownership, as in some cases the Russian State has sold out large stakes.
      But still, there is a Russian State Whatchdog that are making sure the different Plants are not above a mere 6% profit line in terms of all domestic military orders.
      If they do, they get penalties, or Execitives will be forced to leave their positions for trying to suck funding out of the State. Its a strict regime.. but it seems to work.

      Point in Case, look at the bang for the bucks they get on their hardware.

      And when export comes their way, they can negotiate a higher profit margin.
      Last edited by haavarla; 3rd June 2018, 16:35.
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      • JSR
        JSR
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        Actually the subcontractors that build the tiniest parts have no clue what their contribution to the project does. They are just making parts to match design specs. The key is the tight control of the specs. You're actually improving your fundamental manufacturing base with this strategy, not wasting it.
        you are never going to improve manufacturing base rather adding army of bean counters aka cost accountants, lawyers (each firm will defend there position if there is dispute) sales people, transportation, security.
        see hourly rise in house prices where F-35 built. no amount of Six sigma can solve it.
        http://www.star-telegram.com/news/bu...208686634.html
        Why bother working? Your house could be making more money than you do
        Canadian PM statement that Canada provide steel and aluminium for US weopon industry. now Canada is in North. Canadian making money out of US are likely buying stuff from China. I don't think MIG need this six sigma until this point.

        you can see this efficiency in transporting attack helicopters over long distance with fuel tanks. let see how many choppers can do that. it shows strong manufacturing base.

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        • MadRat
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          If you're worried about cost of a home in America you live in the wrong place, because you chose where to live. And our highway system and low gasoline/deisel prices make it rather negligible to drive 45 minutes to an hour to commute to work. In more urbanized areas you might commute 90 or more if you want a cheaper home. The only problem is self imposed. The F-35 is a 50 states wide jobs program. The industrial base is immune to anything save for cataclysmic interruptions. Most importantly, because the subcontracting is farmed out with minimal input from 3rd parties, the parts are solely built off serialized spec sheets without revealing information to the provider other than parts numbers and critical design specifications, its practically impossible for anyone but the actual design house to use political cronyism. And because it would be so costly as a winning bidder on the main contract to get caught up in politics, it becomes a solely results driven venture. Small minds cannot grasp these big picture goals.
          Go Huskers!

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          • TR1
            TR1
            http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

            http://www.121arz.ru/fotogid/fotogid.html

            Some good photos from the 121st ARZ. They started work repairing Yak-130s (the early Sokol batch), and apparently have a pretty large number of Su-25s on hand, including a batch of SM3s, the one UBM, and others.

            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3226454.html

            Some preliminary work on a potential An-124 replacement, "Elephant".
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            • Austin
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              Good Interview on Superjet Program

              "We are switching to new materials and other aerodynamics"

              http://expert.ru/expert/2018/23/myi-...-aerodinamiku/
              "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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              • stealthflanker
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                https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3226454.html

                Some preliminary work on a potential An-124 replacement, "Elephant".
                In between Ruslan and Mryia. cool. This where PD-35 will come handy i see

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                • XTX-Horus
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                  @ TR1

                  https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3226454.html

                  Some preliminary work on a potential An-124 replacement, "Elephant".
                  It looks good but got some questions:

                  1: According to this image, the max weight the An-225 can carry is 200 tons but i thought its max was 250?

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                  2: Whatever happend to the PAK-TA?

                  3: If either PAK-TA or this plane is chosen to replace the An-124's, how many are being planned to be purchased?

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                  • paralay
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                    According to this image, the max weight the An-225 can carry is 200 tons but i thought its max was 250?
                    This "record weight", the An-124 lifted 171,219 tons to a height of 10,750 meters

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                    • Flanker_man
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                      .... and to save having to load and reload pallets of metal ingots during the various record-breaking flights, Antonov hit upon the idea of using 'self-loading weights' - in the form of FIVE 50-ton tanks (IIRC T-72 and T-80)

                      There are photos out there of the five tanks arrayed in front of the An-225.

                      Ken
                      Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
                      Flankers (& others) website at :-
                      http://flankers.co.uk/

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                      • Austin
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                        KRET unveils N025E mast-mounted helicopter radar

                        http://www.janes.com/article/80590/k...licopter-radar
                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                        • Dr.Snufflebug
                          Boggleboople snufflebug

                          Speaking of the Antonov An-124... The chief designer of both this aircraft and the legendary An-225, Victor Ilyich Tolmachyov passed away today:
                          https://www.facebook.com/alexey.rogo...14233733615450

                          Tolmachyov, a native Muscovite, lived and worked in Ulyanovsk with the Volga-Dnepr An-124 fleet and the Aviastar maintenance facilities. R.I.P.

                          Reminds me though, upon hearing the news about a potential Ruslan reboot, Ukraine yesterday said that building something like the An-124 or this "Slon"/Elephant is impossible without the Kiev bureau's "expertise".

                          A statement I find kind of curious if I may say so, considering that most An-124's were built in Russia and indeed the last new An-124 rolled out of Aviastar in Ulyanovsk as late as 2004. To my knowledge, none were built in Kiev after 1993 or so... Add to that the fact that key people like the aforementioned Tolmachyov had nothing to do with the Kiev bureau after the collapse of the USSR, but stayed in Ulyanovsk, and the fact that the by far biggest operators of the An-124 are the Russian Air Force and Volga-Dnepr, and all their maintenance and refurbishing etc. takes place in Russia (in Ulyanovsk...). I'd be surprised if they didn't know "how"...

                          The only thing that is a problem are the engines, as there are no domestic "D-18-class" turbines available at present.
                          Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 7th June 2018, 19:31.
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                          • LMFS
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                            @Dr.Snufflebug:

                            Totally agree. Those planes were designed by companies and scientific institutions of the USSR, many if not most of them in present Russia (didn't knew that bit about the lead designer being from Moscow, thanks) therefore the know-how to maintain, build and modify the plane is for sure available even when it will be needed to gather and put all the pieces together. The big issue is the legal aspect, since for instance Volga-Dnieper was lifting cargo for NATO and all the Western-related contracts will surely be threatened if they take planes built by Russia against the will of Ukraine. Apparently they are establishing a company in Germany, the rumours are that this would allow to circumvent Antonov's denial to cooperate with Russia to keep the planes flightworthy, but may also be useful in case Russia restarts the production under a different name (old, Russian-operated An-124 could be sold to this company and maintained by Antonov while the VTA and Volga-Dnieper proper can buy newly produced units)

                            Regarding the engines, the gas-generator from the improved NK-32 for the Tu-160M2 has been mentioned several times as the basis of a new high-bypass engine for the An-124. This should be the famous PD-30, do you have any information about its state of development? The PD-35 is IMO too far in the future.

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                            • JSR
                              JSR
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                              If you're worried about cost of a home in America you live in the wrong place, because you chose where to live. And our highway system and low gasoline/deisel prices make it rather negligible to drive 45 minutes to an hour to commute to work. In more urbanized areas you might commute 90 or more if you want a cheaper home. The only problem is self imposed.
                              use automobile to make cost of living lower?. Is the Tyre industry not dependent on rubber and all the energy chemicals needed to produce it. Isnt that waste of labor? I can show you 100 other inputs like clean water supply losses.
                              The F-35 is a 50 states wide jobs program. The industrial base is immune to anything save for cataclysmic interruptions.
                              each small sub contractor will have bank loan to keep them afloat. And they will need audited financial statements to get the loans from the banks. Its big finance operations to keep the subcontractors afloat. On top of that it is 50% built outside US. and it will have to deal with cost of transport and currency fluctuation.
                              Most importantly, because the subcontracting is farmed out with minimal input from 3rd parties, the parts are solely built off serialized spec sheets without revealing information to the provider other than parts numbers and critical design specifications, its practically impossible for anyone but the actual design house to use political cronyism. And because it would be so costly as a winning bidder on the main contract to get caught up in politics, it becomes a solely results driven venture. Small minds cannot grasp these big picture goals.
                              create so big numbers of sub contractors. you are creating vast layer of management across the firms that try squeeze profits from each other.

                              less landing. less stress on airframe and tyres. This is called flying six sigma for attack and transport with same engine.


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                              • Austin
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                                Total ~ 70 Ka-226 Operational as of date

                                http://www.airliners.net/search?airc...display=detail
                                "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                • totoro
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                                  Of which 13 serving within Air Force.

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                                  • Arihant
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                                    Can someone identify the pod carried on the left inboard station? Is it an escort jamming pod?

                                    It's a MiG-21M from No 35 Rapiers squadron of IAF.
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                                    • Austin
                                      Rank 5 Registered User

                                      That the EW squadron of Mig-21 operating some kind of Swedish Jamming pod
                                      "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                      • TR1
                                        TR1
                                        http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

                                        Of which 13 serving within Air Force.
                                        There should be 50 in VKS service by now.
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                                        • panzerfeist1
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                                          @stealthflanker Jan 30 2017 article stated a 2 year time for the production of mig-35s. Doubt there is going to be any information until than especially the LTCC version. I am curious about the watts for the modules of the LTCC version(exceeding 5 watts does not cut it for me) and the NO36.

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