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  • niksi
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Apr 2007
    • 406

    Vitebsk EW system
    It is one of the most effective defensive aids systems. It is designed to protect aircraft and helicopters against surface-to-air missiles with radar and optical (thermal) homing heads.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/942027
    by Yuri Mayevsky
    KRET Group chief designer

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    • TomcatViP
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Nov 2011
      • 6125

      Probably some form of DEW.

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      • TR1
        TR1
        http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
        • Oct 2010
        • 9826

        Does the suite of Su-25SM3 accurately reflects what his posters says ?

        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA8lD79XoAEQwZL.jpg:large
        Roughly, yes.

        No DIRCM on the Vitebsk? I wonder how this suite helps against MANPADS other than telling the pilot that he is going to be hit, am I missing something? Seems crucial to me for real world, counter-insurgency CAS
        Was impossible to adequately fit the DIRCM component within the space available apparently. Having early warning can let pilot take necessary response, as opposed to being blind to the threat.



        Gotta fly below 150m.
        Closer to 5 meters if the mast mounted radar is used, within physical limits of terrain obviously.
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        • LMFS
          Rank 4 Registered User
          • Feb 2018
          • 562

          Was impossible to adequately fit the DIRCM component within the space available apparently. Having early warning can let pilot take necessary response, as opposed to being blind to the threat.
          Thanks TR1. It is a pity, it seems a humble Mi-8 is better protected against MANPADS than a Su-25...

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          • terryna
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            • Mar 2018
            • 14

            sub'd to this thread

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            • rpgtype7v
              Rank 4 Registered User
              • Jan 2018
              • 25

              it say- in 2007 armed forces received s-400 ,capable of solving not only tactical but operational missions of aero-cosmos forces. system uses missiles of different types capable of destroying not only cruise missiles and aircraft but also warheads of operational tactical ballistic missiles , hypersonic flying objects ,and satellites in low orbits.
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              vertical cross section of destruction zones of s-400.

              its a multi datalink coded missile, its a new fashion option , which enables to work over the horizont.

              s-400 works in group so when it launches missile at very far range it sends commands via datalink to missile to activate directional beacon , but also sends code to that SAM system which is in front of it on battlefield - s-300 , buk , so they can take over with that code and continue to datalink that same missile as it flyes over them ,then missile closes to target so it active radar can get lock and hit it.
              thats how it gets over horizon,and bypass directional jamming.

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              • rpgtype7v
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                • Jan 2018
                • 25

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                • paralay
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                  • Aug 2005
                  • 1418

                  translation

                  C-400
                  In 2007, the S-400 "Triumph" anti-aircraft missile system was adopted, capable of solving not only tactical, but also operational tasks of aerospace defense. The system, using missiles of various types, allows the destruction not only of cruise missiles and aircraft, but also the heads of operational and tactical ballistic missiles, hypersonic aircraft and spacecraft in low orbits

                  C-300
                  The S-300PT anti-aircraft missile system was adopted in 1978. The system consisted of a command post (КП) with radar detecting air targets and up to 6 anti-aircraft missile systems (ЗРК). Stages of modernization:
                  in 1982 - S-300PS
                  in 1989 - S-300PM
                  in 2010 - S-300PM1, S-300PM2
                  Last edited by paralay; 21st April 2018, 03:58.

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                  • TR1
                    TR1
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                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9826

                    Korsair and a new helicopter UAV:





                    Kinzhal:

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                    • Austin
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 6506

                      it say- in 2007 armed forces received s-400 ,capable of solving not only tactical but operational missions of aero-cosmos forces. system uses missiles of different types capable of destroying not only cruise missiles and aircraft but also warheads of operational tactical ballistic missiles , hypersonic flying objects ,and satellites in low orbits.
                      What types of interceptor does that bolded part ? 40N6 or 40N6M ? in that case the altitude of interceptor should be atleast 200 km to take out satellite at LEO while the ability to intercept the target speed of atleast 7 km/sec .....That sort of capability is projected for S-500

                      I wonder if S-400 and S-500 will eventually share the same common interceptor 40N6M and S-500 would get its own set of interceptors .....I remember at MAKS few years back they mentioned as working on S-400 Upgrade which included new Ground based AESA radar


                      Pralay what is the difference between S-300 PM1 and PM2 as both have induction date of 2010 , The latter seems to have longer range 250 km ?
                      "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                      • St. John
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                        • Jan 2018
                        • 568

                        Closer to 5 meters if the mast mounted radar is used, within physical limits of terrain obviously.
                        Do Russia have interceptors capable of exoatmospheric intercept yet?

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                        • paralay
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 1418

                          Paralay, в чем разница между S-300 PM1 и PM2, так как у обоих есть дата индукции 2010 года, у последнего, похоже, более длинный радиус действия 250 км?
                          S-300PMU1 SAM 9М96Е1 range 40 km, targets - 6, range 5 - 150 km
                          S-300PMU2 SAM 9М96Е2 range 120 km, targets - 36, range 3 - 200 km

                          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-300
                          Last edited by paralay; 21st April 2018, 11:31.

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                          • Austin
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 6506

                            MiG-31 and Dagger


                            "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                            • KGB
                              KGB
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2016
                              • 1426

                              There's lots being made in the media about reports that Russia captured some intact Tomahawk cruise missiles in Syria. I'm sure Russia would like to have a look but its not like they don't have cruise missiles every bit as capable in their arsenal today.

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                              • LMFS
                                Rank 4 Registered User
                                • Feb 2018
                                • 562

                                MiG-31 and Dagger
                                Any guess, what the range and max. speed of the MiG-31 would be when loaded with the Kinzhal?

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                                • LMFS
                                  Rank 4 Registered User
                                  • Feb 2018
                                  • 562

                                  There's lots being made in the media about reports that Russia captured some intact Tomahawk cruise missiles in Syria. I'm sure Russia would like to have a look but its not like they don't have cruise missiles every bit as capable in their arsenal today.
                                  Is it Tomahawk what they captured or the newer, stealth missile that was delivered by the B-1s? That would be a nice war booty...

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                                  • MadRat
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Aug 2006
                                    • 5032

                                    Tomahawks wouldn't remain intact even if they lost power and fell to earth by themselves. They disintegrate mostly on impact.
                                    Go Huskers!

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                                    • haavarla
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2008
                                      • 6715

                                      The only thing the Russian may find interesting about Tomahawk's is their Datalink. The rest they can safely discard. The Kalibr is superior in all other aspect bar the datalink.
                                      The one thing which i find interesting is the programming and timing of these Tomahawk flight profiles. They all seems to strike at a 30-60 second time table.
                                      Thanks

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                                      • paralay
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Aug 2005
                                        • 1418

                                        Any guess, what the range and max. speed of the MiG-31 would be when loaded with the Kinzhal?
                                        The diagram shows the shooting at the maximum range. The scale is observed.
                                        1. climb, speed subsonic, flight time 8 minutes, distance 125 km
                                        2. Supersonic flight, speed 2300 km / h, flight altitude 15000 meters, flight time 15 minutes, a distance of 575 km
                                        3. rocket launch, angle of attack 10 degrees
                                        4. flight on the ballistic trajectory, the engine running time is 57 seconds
                                        5. altitude 100 km, speed M = 10, inclusion of the homing head. The search area from this height is 285 x 160 km.
                                        6. Destruction of the target with a speed M = 3.8 / 4650 km / h

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                                        • LMFS
                                          Rank 4 Registered User
                                          • Feb 2018
                                          • 562

                                          The diagram shows the shooting at the maximum range. The scale is observed.
                                          1. climb, speed subsonic, flight time 8 minutes, distance 125 km
                                          2. Supersonic flight, speed 2300 km / h, flight altitude 15000 meters, flight time 15 minutes, a distance of 575 km
                                          3. rocket launch, angle of attack 10 degrees
                                          4. flight on the ballistic trajectory, the engine running time is 57 seconds
                                          5. altitude 100 km, speed M = 10, inclusion of the homing head. The search area from this height is 285 x 160 km.
                                          6. Destruction of the target with a speed M = 3.8 / 4650 km / h
                                          Wow Paralay, it seems you have done some research...

                                          You consider 700 km combat radius for that mission, do you think this is possible with such big missile? (Wikipedia states 720 km combat radius at 2,35 M and 18000 m for the MiG-31 but no load is specified). It is very interesting that you also consider the 2000 km range would include the stretch when it is carried by the MiG-31, this looks realistic to me.

                                          Would be very interesting to know what manoeuvrability the RV has and how it affects the range

                                          All in all, this means capacity to cripple an strategic target at 2000 km from an airborne (and therefore unpredictable) carrier in some 30 minutes. That is very impressive (in fact a pocket version of the infamous "global prompt strike" or better said a "theater prompt strike") and probably extremely difficult to counter.

                                          I wonder how you got this data or how you came to those estimations but this is very cool, thanks!

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