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  • Austin
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    • Oct 2003
    • 6475

    We’ll respond if lives of our military, incl. from strikes on Damascus, are endangered – Russian MoD
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    • mfranjic
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      • Feb 2017
      • 39


      Originally posted by haavarla View Post
      A closer look at the MIG and Kinzhal:
      An highly interesting video! Thank You, haavarla.

      I can't not to connect this video file with those we could have seen a few days ago:

      ....

      ....

      and conclude that at least free MiG-31 aircraft have been involved, so far, in the story on the new hypersonic missile Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" (Х-47М2 "Кинжал") launching …

      ....The first one, MiG-31DZ (изд. 01ДЗ), Борт № 592 синий (blue), Заводской № 5902, Серийный № 38400160189,

      ....

      ..............and the other two aircraft, both visible in this video...
      ..............Please click on the image for the link
      ..............

      ...........MiG-31BM, Борт № 91 красный (red), reg. RF-95216

      ...........

      ...............................

      ......................and MiG-31BM, Борт № 93 красный (red), reg. RF-92454




      On their return from the mission, before the landing, it is visible that one of the aircarft doesn't have its Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" missile attached anymore while the other one still has…



      The aircraft which has launched the missile during the mission was MiG-31BM, Борт № 91 красный (red), reg. RF-95216






      while the other one, Борт № 93 красный (red), reg. RF-92454, still has its Х-47М2 "Кинжал" missile attached...


      In those video files it is possible to notice that two aircraft are visible without Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" missile attached after the landing, but we can't be sure that each of the video files shows just a single flight's sequnces, and not the sequences that would include more than one flight. Anyhow, we can conclude that at least one Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" missile was launched during the several missions ...

      Some source claim that the Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" missile is similar in size and structural characteristics to the 9K720 Iskander-M (9К720 "Искандер-М") missile system, inheriting the base elements from its 9M723-1F short-range ballistic missile...


      Although the engines for the MiG-31 are not pruduced in Russia anymore, OJSC "Perm Engine Company" (АО "ОДК-Пермские моторы") claims that, if necessary, they can quickly resume the production of the key parts, systems and aggregates of the D-30F-6 (изд. 48) powerplants for the MiG-31 interceptor.






      According to the factory, there is nothing difficult in this task because the past three or four years, the company has restored the production of turbine modules for this engine. If necessary, the manufacture of an engine compressor could also be restored. Since the MiG-31 is actively used in the RuAF, the industry is pushed to develop the most effective options for repairing their power plants. What is clearly visible in the second video file, those MiG-31 aircraft are very thoroughly refurbished and some parts are replaced by those new. The overall appearance of the aircraft gives the impression the word is about brand new aircraft…

      When it comes to its D-30F-6 (изд. 48) engines, I am deeply convinced that OJSC "Perm Engine Company" (АО "ОДК-Пермские моторы") hasn't done anything on their modernization for the time being, something that could be, in any sense, comparable with that what JSC "Kuznetsov" (ПАО "Кузнецов") has been doing with their NK-32-2 (НК-32 серии 02) engines aimed for the Tu-160M/M2 aircraft...

      The increase in the take-off mass of the, at that time improved and modified, aircraft, MiG-31M (изд. 05), to 52 t required the installation of the more powerful Soloviev D-30F-6M (изд. 64), twin-shaft, afterburning, low-bypass, turbofan engines (fan diameter: 1.020,0 mm / 40,2 in; BPR: 0,57:1; engine architecture: 5F–10HPC2HPT–2LPT), OPR: 21,15:1, each rated at 93,20 kN / 9.500 kgf / 20.945 lbf dry and 161,80 kN / 16.500 kgf / 36.376 lbf with the afterburner. The engine received an enlarged diameter of the afterburner, and the design of the nozzle was changed (a harder nozzles were installed on the outside).

      Undoubtedly a lot of attention was paid in the NABP "Sokol" (Авиастроительный завод "Сокол") plant, in Nizhny Novgorod, to the refinement and modernization of the MiG-31 (изд. 01/изд. 06/изд. 12) aircraft to MiG-31BM (тип 28/тип 78) and MiG-31BSM (тип 58) (without retractable in-flight refuelling probe) standard, so I would not find myself surprised if it would be decided that the future fleet of the modernised aircraft will get a modernized engines.


      MiG-31BSM (тип 58), Борт № 05 синий (blue), reg. RF-92359

      Since the JSC NPO "Saturn" (ПАО "НПО "Сатурн"), formed by merging the JSC "Rybinsk Motors" (ОАО "Рыбинские моторы") and JSC Lyulka-Saturn (ОАО "А. Люлька-Сатурн"), is a basic company for a serial production, maintenance, repair/overhaul and modernization of the
      D-30KU/KP engines (D-30KP and D-30KP-2 engines for Ilyushin Il-76/78 cargo/transport aircraft family, D-30KU and D-30KU-2 engines for Ilyushin Il-62M long/middle-range commercial jets and D-30KU-154 engine for Tupolev Tu-154M middle-range commercial airliner), and which was also working on the development of the D-30KP-3 "Burlak" engine, enjoying the right of the D-30KU/KP engines' designer, JSC "UEC-Aviadvigatel" (АО "ОДК-Авиадвигатель"), I see no reason why the modernization of the D-30F-6 (изд. 48) engine would not be entrusted right to JSC NPO "Saturn" (ПАО "НПО "Сатурн"). I believe they are capable of implementing a lot of modern technology, in a relatively short time, in this excellent and reliable, but technologically pretty obsolete, engine.

      Besides, to whose surprise would it really be, since there is still no aircraft comparable to the MiG-31 in terms of speed, climb speed, practical ceiling and other performance characteristics, as well as efficiency in the given interval of its combat use, if Russia would restore the production of this aircraft the same way they did the one of Tupolev Tu-160?

      Originally posted by Peregrinefalcon View Post
      Here is more detailed talk from Putin about new weapons …
      Megyn Marie Kelly, an American journalist, political commentator and former corporate defense attorney, in front of her country, the one which was participtaing or still does in 117 (one hundred seventeen) war conflicts all over the world since The United States Declaration of Independence in 1776, and which has between 750 to 800 overseas military bases and installations all over the world, here in the role of the "state investigator in the criminal proceedings" against Russian President Vladimir Putin and his country because of their possible interaction in U.S. presidential elections in 2016 ... her way of talking and manner in this interview is the peak of hypocrisy, impudence, crudiness, unculturation of conversation, arrogance, self-assumption and vanity ... just my humble opinion and impression ...

      ....Mario

      Last edited by mfranjic; 14th March 2018, 20:51.
      'Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile' - Albert Einstein

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      • Kopyo-21
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        • Jan 2009
        • 212

        Thank you for a full informative post Mario.

        One more thing, the firing of missile in the second video (with 2 Mig-31BMs #91 & #93) seemed to be from the first video (missile was launched by the Mig-31BM #5902). I realized that because the firing happened in the night time (in both videos) while in the second video, both Mig-31BMs took off and landed in the day time. The disappeared missile in Mig-31BM #91 might be mock up for drop test? While the missile on Mig-31BM #93 might be mock up for landing (with missile) test?
        Last edited by Kopyo-21; 13th March 2018, 16:06.

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        • TR1
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          • Oct 2010
          • 9819

          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3124428.html

          4 Yak-130s delivered to VKS, the first since July 2017, when deliveries stopped due to two accidents with the type in one day on June 21st.

          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3122973.html

          The first modernized Il-76MD-M has finally been handed over to the VKS, two years after first flight.

          Couple of nice Su-35 pics:



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          • stealthflanker
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            • Sep 2015
            • 1016

            Aside from Kinzhal missiles, im curious on our KH-59MK2. That thing in my view would make a formidable weapon for Su-35's and 57's.

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            • MadRat
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              • Aug 2006
              • 5033

              The hypersonic missile is tactically irrelevant on any scale beyond small niche work. You're honestly going to lob one missile per sortie while the enemy is dropping a dozen glide bombs with precision per sortie. It makes about as much sense as their giant land-based cruise missiles being launched at Syria from within Russia. Sure they are big and scary, but they did virtually nothing in effect.
              Go Huskers!

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              • JSR
                JSR
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                • Aug 2011
                • 4976

                This is the most effective weopon ever produced. it is combined with high speed of MIG31 with high speed missle. there are many more MIG31 for group action strike. in one takeoff can easily be 100 missiles and with several sorties per aircraft in a day making it several hundred missiles. all fixed target like airbase or airdefence sites. big warhead.

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                • JSR
                  JSR
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                  • Aug 2011
                  • 4976

                  this is called free advertisement. anyone flying around in Mediterranean escorted with big nose/big cockpit MIG29M2.

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                  • haavarla
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 6695

                    The hypersonic missile is tactically irrelevant on any scale beyond small niche work. You're honestly going to lob one missile per sortie while the enemy is dropping a dozen glide bombs with precision per sortie. It makes about as much sense as their giant land-based cruise missiles being launched at Syria from within Russia. Sure they are big and scary, but they did virtually nothing in effect.
                    I'm not sure about your point here.. are you talking about the Iskander-M or Kalibr or Kh-101 or the actual Kinzhal missile here? What giant land based Cruise Missile launched from Russia are you refering to?

                    And how many and which type of jet can fly close enough to a S-400 battery and deploy scores of "glide bombs" without end up in a clowd of debris? Surly not F-16 Block 60..

                    We all understand that the Kinzhal missile will be more expensive vs a Kalibr missile.
                    However the Kinzhal missile can be launched outside any enemy AWACS sphere too.
                    That is called a "Capability".
                    Kinzhal short reaction or counter time due to its incoming speed is also called a Capability.
                    You may need 2-4 Kalibr or Tomahawk missile to punch through some fortified underground or Hardened complex.
                    With the Kinzhal Kenetic energy and sized warhead, i believe you will only need a singel one.
                    That is also called a Capability.

                    Couple of nice Su-35 pics:
                    My new Background screen!
                    No wonder i got a soft spot for the Flanker.. Perfect Angle of the Bort 03.
                    Thx a lot!
                    Last edited by haavarla; 16th March 2018, 19:30.
                    Thanks

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                    • soyuz1917
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                      • Oct 2005
                      • 651

                      The butt hurt is strong. The Kinzhal is a carrier cracker. You dont need many. About 2 per Yankee carrier is being generous as the current gen of ABM and missile defense interceptors should not be capable of engaging a cruise missile with a mach 10 maneuvering terminal phase pretty much at all. They have a tough enough time with MRBMs doing mach 10 in very simple ballistic trajectories and this thing will not be flying a simple ballistic trajectory.

                      As a SEAD weapon against ground based systems its much the same story. A THAAD or Patriot battery is a sitting duck and compared to the cost of the SAMs this thing is dirt cheap

                      The nuclear powered cruise missile is going to make for probably the ultimate EW platform as much as it is a doomsday weapon. Unlimited range and a power supply pretty much limited only by heat dissipation limits. The Kh-101 is conventional and already has towed decoys and a likely optional jamming function but this thing will take it a whole new level. It will run laps about the battlefield never running out of fuel and who is going to engage an EW platform that's also a flying dirty bomb? Safer to let it do its thing than to shoot it down.

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                      • Austin
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                        • Oct 2003
                        • 6475

                        Russia passed the peak of rearmament, Belousov said

                        https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20180316/1516533868.html

                        The Russian government intends to cut defense expenditures by the share of GDP and increase the efficiency of other budget expenditures to fulfill the president's orders, since the peak of saturation of the Armed Forces with new weapons and equipment has already been passed, presidential aide Andrei Belousov told journalists.

                        According to him, in order to fulfill the tasks set by the president following the message to the Federal Assembly, an amount equivalent to 1.5% of the Russian GDP will be required.

                        "Approximately half of the resources to 1%, even about two thirds - we will get due to the acceleration of economic growth from 2% to 3.5-3.8-4%, somewhere in this range, as it is formulated in the message, and in the list of instructions, "Belousov said.

                        "We will have to look for the rest of the funds (with the help of additional savings), of course, there are such opportunities in the budget." Now we will most likely cut the defensive spending from the share of GDP due to the fact that we passed the peak of the saturation cycle armed forces with new types of weapons and military equipment, "he said.
                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                        • haavarla
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                          • Dec 2008
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                          The butt hurt is strong. The Kinzhal is a carrier cracker. You dont need many. About 2 per Yankee carrier is being generous as the current gen of ABM and missile defense interceptors should not be capable of engaging a cruise missile with a mach 10 maneuvering terminal phase pretty much at all. They have a tough enough time with MRBMs doing mach 10 in very simple ballistic trajectories and this thing will not be flying a simple ballistic trajectory.
                          I don't think we can label the Kinshal as being a Cruise missile. It can perhaps manuvere, but it will come in from very high altitude on Termal phase. Not like any Kalibr that is hugging the Ground.
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                          • stealthflanker
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                            • Sep 2015
                            • 1016

                            next i would like to see MiG-31 carrying R-37M

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                            • Vnomad
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                              • May 2011
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                              Originally posted by soyuz1917
                              About 2 per Yankee carrier is being generous as the current gen of ABM and missile defense interceptors should not be capable of engaging a cruise missile with a mach 10 maneuvering terminal phase pretty much at all.
                              Any missile attempting hard maneuvers at Mach 10 inside the troposphere is liable to get its wings ripped off. The mechanical limitations that apply to steering a hypersonic missile remain the same as those that apply to a warhead.

                              The nuclear powered cruise missile is going to make for probably the ultimate EW platform as much as it is a doomsday weapon.
                              If Russia has managed to miniaturize a nuclear reactor to the size of a barrel (which would be an engineering achievement of incredible proportions), using it to power a missile (instead of revolutionizing the aircraft industry) is the least imaginative application for it.

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                              • St. John
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                                • Jan 2018
                                • 568

                                About 2 per Yankee carrier is being generous
                                Don't bet on it. A Nimitz class can take 3 heavyweight torpedos in separate compartments, aside from being guarded by a large number of guided missile destroyers with missiles capable of shooting down the Kinzal.

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                                • haavarla
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                                  • Dec 2008
                                  • 6695

                                  Any missile attempting hard maneuvers at Mach 10 inside the troposphere is liable to get its wings ripped off. The mechanical limitations that apply to steering a hypersonic missile remain the same as those that apply to a warhead.
                                  Its not about manueuvering hard. It doesn't have to. Some minor course correction is enough going at that speed.
                                  And why are people so certain that the Kinzhal is a twinstage rocket?
                                  Thanks

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                                  • Marcellogo
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                                    • Jun 2014
                                    • 1838

                                    To avoid another trollfest:
                                    Russian have developed even before large air-launched AShM missile and put them on fighters.

                                    Kh-41 Moskit is possibly even larger than Khinzal still Su-33 can carry it, together with Yakhont/Bhramos.
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                                    What probably change it's just the type of vector plane, until now we have seen it just on specifically modified Mig-31 but no one forbid that they could put it on other ones, maybe with a larger booster to compensate for an inferior speed/quote launch or even modify the standard Foxhound to carry it as an alternative to their usual load.

                                    Even this more restrictive option would mean an hundred of possible vectors from day one.
                                    Last edited by Marcellogo; 17th March 2018, 12:31.

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                                    • Levsha
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                                      • Jan 2006
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                                      Launching ballistic missiles from supersonic aircraft - it was already done 60 years ago:



                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Virgo

                                      As a SEAD weapon against ground based systems its much the same story. A THAAD or Patriot battery is a sitting duck and compared to the cost of the SAMs this thing is dirt cheap
                                      In which case you could consider the S-300,S-400 and S-500 as sitting ducks as well? An air-launched version of the MGM-140 ATACMS could do the trick - dirt cheap as well.

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                                      • JSR
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                                        • Aug 2011
                                        • 4976

                                        In which case you could consider the S-300,S-400 and S-500 as sitting ducks as well? An air-launched version of the MGM-140 ATACMS could do the trick - dirt cheap as well
                                        what kind of fighter will carry ATACMs and what range, speed? MIG-31 is fighter with unique characteristics. its low G airframe allows stronger longer life.

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                                        • TR1
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                                          • Oct 2010
                                          • 9819

                                          Comparing Kinzhal to glide bombs? Seriously?
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