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  • TR1
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    • Oct 2010
    • 9808

    A new build titanium spine for the Tu-160?

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    • KGB
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      • Mar 2016
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      TR1 where'd that pic come from ? Keep em coming

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      • Kopyo-21
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        • Jan 2009
        • 212

        Thank you @TR1

        If you zoom in the Egypt Mig-29M2's middle wings, you will see them look like a 2-piece-wing, not complete (1-piece) wing. Even thought they fix the wing, 2-piece-wing will not be strong like 1-piece-wing.

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        • stealthflanker
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          • Sep 2015
          • 1008

          Originally posted by Kopyo-21
          If you zoom in the Egypt Mig-29M2's middle wings, you will see them look like a 2-piece-wing, not complete (1-piece) wing. Even thought they fix the wing, 2-piece-wing will not be strong like 1-piece-wing.
          You cannot know this by just eyeballing. Need a real structural strength measurement.

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          • TR1
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            • Oct 2010
            • 9808

            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3070207.html

            Knaaz will hand over 10 Su-35s and 6 modernized Su-27SMs to the VKS this year.
            Also 10 Su-35 to China.
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            • Austin
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              • Oct 2003
              • 6463

              New anti-Russian sanctions will be directed against foreign entities that carry out major deals with the defense sector and Russian intelligence - the State Department
              1/30/2018 3:31:11 AM

              Washington. January 30. INTERFAX - New anti-Russian sanctions will be directed against foreign entities carrying out major deals with the defense sector and Russian intelligence, the State Department said.

              "In general, the imposed sanctions will be mainly targeted against non-Russian entities that are responsible for significant transactions with the Russian defense and intelligence sector," the State Department said in a statement.
              The State Department says that after the entry into force of the law on sanctions, the Russian Federation lost billions of dollars in failed defense deals
              01/30/2018 4:21:51 AM
              *** New sanctions may not be required, given the already existing deterrent effect of the law, states the

              Washington State Department . January 30. Interfax - Russia has lost billions of dollars in failed defense deals after the entry into force of the law "On Countering US Enemies through Sanctions," the State Department said.

              "Today, we informed Congress that this law and its implementation are detrimental to Russian defense transactions. (...) Since its entry into force, according to our estimates, foreign governments have abandoned planned or already announced purchases of several billion dollars" , - State Department spokesman Heather Neuert said.

              "Given the long time intervals usually associated with major defense deals, the results of these efforts are just beginning to manifest itself.This point, if the law works, sanctions will not be imposed on specific organizations or individuals, because the law, in fact, works as a restraining means, "she noted.


              H.Noyert stressed that further details are contained in a secret report, which the agency submitted to Congress.
              "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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              • Austin
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                • Oct 2003
                • 6463

                How will this affect Russian export in future when US is threatening 3rd country with sanction if they buy Russian defence products
                "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                • stealthflanker
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                  • Sep 2015
                  • 1008

                  The 3rd country or Russia itself need to find alternative financing scheme for the deal to proceed. Our flanker "counter-trade" scheme is one means to circumvent the US sanctions. We cannot buy the flankers directly using usual means of financing. Some nations like India and Arab nations however probably unaffected.

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                  • totoro
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                    • Apr 2006
                    • 1025

                    Knaaz will hand over 10 Su-35s and 6 modernized Su-27SMs to the VKS this year.
                    How many modernized SMs will that be altogether by then? How large was that last batch contracted recently?
                    Last edited by totoro; 30th January 2018, 08:16.

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                    • haavarla
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                      • Dec 2008
                      • 6667

                      In Indonesia case, it had nothing to do with US sanctions. Indonesia could have loaned from Russias Banking system.
                      But they choose not to, instead they now don'T have to pay extra interest from payments loan.

                      Both Russia, China and India is working on payments outside US dollar economy. Thereby circumventing any US sanction.
                      Thanks

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                      • Marcellogo
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                        • Jun 2014
                        • 1829

                        @totoro

                        How many modernized SMs will that be altogether by then? How large was that last batch contracted recently?
                        For what I have read (in the Russiadefence forum) it was about the question of the 36-42 Su27P actually still operative.
                        There was a debate if it would be better to update them all or to wait for substitution.
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                        Problem arose because the initial option i.e. substitute them with the first series of Su-57 was skipped due the decision to wait for the definitive one with Objekt 30.

                        Su-35S lines are actually full because of the China's "I want it, I want it NOW!" order, so there is actually a production deficit.

                        On the other hand to modernize the whole lot just to get them replaced by completely new ones after a few years goes against the whole M.O. of the Russian acquisition processes.
                        It seems also that those Sukhois, being used in the PVO have seen a more intensive use than the older Su-27S and have no much life left.

                        So the final decision was to update just those six you cited and combine them with already modified ones actually not attached to a regular unit to form a new squadron ASAP while the others would wait for substitution.
                        Last edited by Marcellogo; 30th January 2018, 14:11.

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                        • totoro
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                          • Apr 2006
                          • 1025

                          So if that is true, then Ruaf will have 48 original plus these 6 plus those "newlybuilt" 12 su27sm/3? Those few developmental ones I've heard of, were they used in service? Also, possible accidents may have changed the overall number... still, roughly 66 planes might be what we're looking at here?

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                          • KGB
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                            • Mar 2016
                            • 1426

                            How will this affect Russian export in future when US is threatening 3rd country with sanction if they buy Russian defence products
                            It wont effect it at all. World trade did indeed exist before the US dollar was invented. Ask the British empire.

                            You are bringing too much politics into this thread with this question.

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                            • KGB
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                              • Mar 2016
                              • 1426

                              @stealthflakner

                              The 3rd country or Russia itself need to find alternative financing scheme for the deal to proceed.
                              They already have currency swap lines in place. This is a total puff piece meant to amp up US soft power where there is none. These sanctions are meant to stifle business between Russia and US Yes Man client states. Non alighned states are not effected

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                              • TR1
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                                • Oct 2010
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                                So if that is true, then Ruaf will have 48 original plus these 6 plus those "newlybuilt" 12 su27sm/3? Those few developmental ones I've heard of, were they used in service? Also, possible accidents may have changed the overall number... still, roughly 66 planes might be what we're looking at here?
                                There were two polks (48 planes) + another 5 at Lipetsk originally upgraded. There were also a number (at least one) Su-27UBM as part of the dev program, though I don't recall exact numbers.
                                There were 12 new build Su-27SM3.
                                Another 2 IIRC were upgraded as part of R&D program sometime back, then 4 more in 2017, and 6 this year.

                                There have been several Su-27SM crashes, not many though.

                                Overall close to 80 airframes IMO.

                                Speaking of, Su-27 buzzing American EP-3 that is loitering next to Crimea.

                                Last edited by TR1; 30th January 2018, 19:40.
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                                • haavarla
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                                  • Dec 2008
                                  • 6667

                                  Hmm, no vapor trails from engines nor wings when the Flanker turns? It seems to be at medium Altitude. Doesn'T seem right
                                  Last edited by haavarla; 30th January 2018, 20:42.
                                  Thanks

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                                  • BlackArcher
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                                    • Dec 2010
                                    • 4246

                                    If you zoom in the Egypt Mig-29M2's middle wings, you will see them look like a 2-piece-wing, not complete (1-piece) wing. Even thought they fix the wing, 2-piece-wing will not be strong like 1-piece-wing.
                                    The MiG-29M2 did not retain the wing fold mechanism from the MiG-29K/KUB. Neither did the MiG-35.

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                                    • Marcellogo
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                                      • Jun 2014
                                      • 1829

                                      @totoro

                                      The ones they were discussing are he remaining Su-27P i.e. the Soviet era Flankers for PVO with not A2G capabilities but with inboard datalink to operate in AD role.

                                      Su-27SM are much more recent, contract were signed in 2004 so they have the same age of early F-22 while the newly built SM3 came after the last Raptor was made, so no hurry at all for their substitution.
                                      Plane contracted under the 2011-2020 acquisition period would be enough for replace all others Su-27, so for the new 2018-2027 acquisition program only a small numbers of soviet era fighters are under discussion, those 36 su-27P and about fifty Mig-29C.
                                      Only sure things are however the Mig-35 for the ones in Erevan and the upgrading of those six.

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                                      • ijozic
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                                        • May 2014
                                        • 613

                                        Originally posted by BlackArcher
                                        The MiG-29M2 did not retain the wing fold mechanism from the MiG-29K/KUB. Neither did the MiG-35.
                                        His question was whether they had kept the same 2-part wing instead of tooling a new one-part one, not the wing fold mechanism. Some photos do seem to indicate a split and some strengthening parts which hold the 2 parts together.

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                                        • MSphere
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                                          • Feb 2010
                                          • 8983

                                          Yes, that sounds about right...

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