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  • Berkut
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 2216

    SM2, just like SM1, was never "produced". They were upgraded from vanilla S/P, just like the most recent SM3's. The original SM3 was indeed to have Su-35S stuff to a large extent but that was axed. It does have Su-35S' coms atleast though.

    As far as i know, SM3 does not use M1's (unlike SM2's), but i havent seen it being confirmed for certain (or have simply forgot seeing it being confirmed either way). Su-34 use vanilla Al-31F's.

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    • TR1
      TR1
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      • Oct 2010
      • 9818

      So which air-frames were upgraded SM2s?!

      Part of the 48 + 5 (or whatever the additional frames + the several modernized UBs) series?

      I was under the impression it was entirely paper.
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      • haavarla
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        • Dec 2008
        • 6695

        I can easily understand the predicament of not upgrade Flankers with half of its airframe life already spent. Now granted if they did do this "MLU" , then surely the Life hour would be extended somehow through overhaul.

        Anyway, all this is simply not worth the hazzle, better to spend big bucks on completely new airframes. And do some mediocre upgrade on existing Flankers.
        What ever the designations are, its not important. But its interesting to know what upgrade goes into what/where.
        Last edited by haavarla; 30th December 2017, 23:22.
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        • Arihant
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Apr 2017
          • 440

          Thanks a lot Haavarla, Msphere and Mfranjic for your detailed and elaborate answers. As usual another great post, Mfranjic.

          So none of the Su-34 has AL-31FM1? I always knew the Fullback had the FM1. And isn't the AL-31 FN meant for J-10A and B?

          An Aviationist article on Russian fighter pilot experience in Syria. Thanks to Operation Inherent Resolve, the VKS now has a fairly good idea about the RCS of F-22A from different aspects. I bet the Su-35S that was reportedly involved in the Raptor intercept incident would have painted the F-22 a couple of times with the Irbis and the wing leading edge mounted L band aesa. Besides the 91N6E surveillance and acquisition radar for the S-400 unit in Khemeimin may also have detected and tracked the F-22.

          https://theaviationist.com/2017/12/2...an-pilot-says/

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          • TR1
            TR1
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            • Oct 2010
            • 9818

            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3030360.html

            With latest 6 delivered, there have been 114 Su-34s produced to date, including 7 experimental and pre-serial.
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            • stealthflanker
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Sep 2015
              • 1015

              Nice. well i expect Su-34 and Su-30SM's would make the bulk of precision strike capable aircrafts for VKS.

              Im curious tho for Maritime strike, will we have Su-34 or Su-30SM carrying Oniks soon ?

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              • TR1
                TR1
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                • Oct 2010
                • 9818

                I doubt it, neither are cleared for it nor does the VKS appear too interested in integrating the missile given the issues the IAF had with the MKI/BrahMos combo.

                For maritime strike Kh-35 and Kh-31 will have to do for now.

                Maybe the new hypersonic missile that is around half the weight of Onyx IIRC.

                Edit:
                Еще одна российская разработка, предназначенная для действий в условиях сильной противовоздушной обороны противника, представляет собой новую оперативно-тактическую гиперзвуковую ракету, разработанную совместно головным предприятием АО Корпорация Тактическое ракетное вооружение в Королеве и ГосМКБ Радуга в Дубне в рамках программы Гиперзвуковая управляемая ракета (ГЗУР). Военное обозначение этой ракеты до настоящего времени остается нераскрытым.

                По сообщениям, ГЗУР - это ракета со скоростью М=6 и с дальностью полета в 1500 км при полете по высотному профилю. Длина ракеты составляет 6 м, а вес около 1500 кг. Как можно понять, ракета имеет главным образом противокорабельное назначение. Ракета будет оснащена прямоточным воздушно-реактивным двигателем Изделие 70, разработанным ПАО ТМКБ Союз в Тураево, и оснащается комбинированной активно-пассивной радиолокационной головкой самонаведения, известной как Грань-75, которая разрабатывается АО Уральское проектно-конструкторское бюро Деталь в Каменске-Уральском; широкополосный пассивный канал ("Грань-75ПК") для этой головки самонаведения создается АО "Центральное конструкторское бюро автоматики" (ЦКБА) в Омске. Под Гранью-75 понимается модификация головки самонаведения "Грань-К", используемой в тактической противокорабельной ракете Х-35У.

                Согласно источникам в российской промышленности, к 2020 году предполагается, что ракета ГЗУР будет серийно выпускаться темпом до 50 изделий в год, что позволяет предположить, что в настоящее время она проходит испытания.
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                • mfranjic
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                  • Feb 2017
                  • 39

                  Originally posted by Arihant View Post
                  Thanks a lot Haavarla, Msphere and Mfranjic for your detailed and elaborate answers. As usual another great post, Mfranjic…
                  You are very welcome, just as always, Arihant! Thank You very much for Your kind words!

                  Originally posted by Arihant View Post
                  … And isn't the AL-31 FN meant for J-10A and B? …
                  In the early 1992, after the first visit to Beijing, the general designer of JSC Lyulka-Saturn, V.M. Chepkin and his associates were actively helding talks with the Chinese side on a new AL-31F (изд. 99) engine, and consequently of which, on 31. Mar 1992, was signed a contract between AVIC Chengdu Aerospace Corporation and JSC Lyulka-Saturn (ОАО "А. Люлька-Сатурн") to develop and supply nine engines for a single-engine fighter. The Chinese side, in contrast to the AL-31F engine, chose the lower location of the engine's and aircraft's accessory gearboxes, and the engine began to be called the AL-31FN (АЛ-31ФН). The letter N (in Russian Cyrillic: Н) in the engine's designation comes from - нижни расположение коробки приводов - lower drive box location.

                  The then bought ten AL-31F (изд. 99) engines and redesigned them to AL-31FN (изд. 39) standard. The engine passed the whole complex of necessary tests, the engine layout and nine test AL-31FN engines were delivered to Chengdu's facilities. Before that, a large course of training for the Chinese specialists for the engine features and operation was conducted. Chinese themselves were also converting some of the recycled AL-31F engines to the AL-31FN standard, aimed for their J-10 aircraft, in Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) Overhaul Plant Number 5719 at Chengdu, where the service life extension modifications for the engine were also developed. The key to the service life extension is a specific set of improved, Chinese-made components that were a part of what was described as a "re-manufacturing kit", and that was introduced during the process of a full-scale remanufacturing and overhaul process. The modifications of the AL-31F/FN P.2 series engine increased its operational limits by more than 65 % - from 900 to 1.500 flight hours, according to the privately owned Centre for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST).

                  A few images of Salyut AL-31FN (изд. 39) engine (please click on the thumbnails for a larger view)

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                  .........

                  In the comparison with the JSC NPO "Saturn" (ПАО "НПО "Сатурн"), the company "MMPP "Salut" ("ММПП "Салют") was receiving pretty much smaller part of the cake on the Russian market with their AL-31F M1 (АЛ-31Ф серии 42/изд. 99M1) engine, and which found its place on the Russian Su-27SM/SM2/SM3, Su-33M and those later produced Su-34 aircraft, but was recording notable successes on the Chinese market with the custom-made engine on which the engine's and aircraft's accessory gearboxes were mounted beneath, and was aimed for the Chinese Chengdu J-10, lightweight, multirole fighter aircraft, capable of all-weather operation, configured with a delta wing and canard design, with fly-by-wire flight controls, where the Chengdu J-10A aircraft was powered by Salyut AL-31FN (изд. 39), twin-shaft, afterburning, turbofan engine (fan diameter: 905,0 mm / 35,6 in; BPR: 0,56:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 22,87:1, rated at 122,58 kN / 12.500 kgf / 27.558 lbf on the afterburner, and those later models of the aircraft, Chengdu J-10B and J-10C, by Salyut AL-31FN series 3 engine, rated at 134,35 kN / 13.700 kgf / 30.203 lbf on the afterburner, with a 2.250 hour service life. "MMPP "Salut" also offers AL-31FN M1 (изд. 39M1), twin-shaft, afterburning, turbofan engine (fan diameter: 924,0 mm / 36,4 in; BPR: 0,61:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 24,00:1, with the new KND 924-4 fan/LP compressor (FPR: 3,68), rated at 132,39 kN / 13.500 kgf / 29.762 lbf on the afterburner. This is the custom-made version of the already very well known and above mentioned Salyut AL-31F M1 (АЛ-31Ф серии 42/изд. 99M1), twin-shaft, (TVC), afterburning, turbofan engine, but with the engine's and aircraft's accessory gearboxes mounted beneath, the same way as on the Salyut AL-31FN (изд. 39) engine and its sub-series. To my knowledge, China was receiving, so far, the engines with the conventional nozzles only. The current version of the Salyut AL-31FN (изд. 39) engine, the one with the TVC (Thrust Vector Control), has a thrust of 124,54 kN / 12.700 kgf / 28.000 lbf on the afterburner.

                  There are also some minor differences in between dimensions and masses of the basic Saturn AL-31F (изд. 99) and Salyut AL-31FN (изд. 39) engines. Salyut AL-31FN engine is 57 mm longer (5.002 mm vs. 4.945 mm) and has 50 kg more of the mass (1.538 kg vs. 1.488 kg) than the Saturn AL-31F engine...

                  To the forum members and all our readers, I wish a blessed, joyful and with the many beautiful moments, those that can not be easily forgotten, fulfilled 2018. year.

                  God bless You and keep You all !

                  Mario
                  Last edited by mfranjic; 1st January 2018, 21:43.
                  'Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile' - Albert Einstein

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                  • TR1
                    TR1
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                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9818

                    Egyptian MiG-29M2s looking slick:



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                    • TR1
                      TR1
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                      • Oct 2010
                      • 9818

                      Venezuelan Su-30MK2:

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                      • Austin
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 6473

                        What are those two small bombs on outer pylons ?
                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                        • TR1
                          TR1
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                          • Oct 2010
                          • 9818

                          Seeker heads for training, no actual bomb.
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                          • FBW
                            FBW
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3295

                            Where is the RVV-SD (Izdelie 170-1) actually produced? Organization of KTRV difficult to decipher.

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                            • TR1
                              TR1
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                              • Oct 2010
                              • 9818

                              I believe @ Duks:

                              http://duks.su/taxonomy/term/3
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                              • Arihant
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Apr 2017
                                • 440

                                Another excellent post, Mr Mfranjic.

                                Where is the RVV-SD (Izdelie 170-1) actually produced? Organization of KTRV difficult to decipher.
                                Will someone pls tell me how to distinguish the Izdeliye 170-1 from the 170?

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                                • FBW
                                  FBW
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Dec 2011
                                  • 3295

                                  I believe @ Duks:

                                  http://duks.su/taxonomy/term/3
                                  Thanks

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                                  • ha27
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Dec 2005
                                    • 520

                                    Interesting rare photo for Su-25UB_62 in Uzbekistan at Jan 1989 with armored back seat, never seen before even in Yefim Gordon's books.
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                                    • haavarla
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2008
                                      • 6695

                                      This might have been posted before, but first time i've seen it.

                                      Development of MC-21 composite wings:

                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EHwDnKj_Qo

                                      I am impressed by the digital cockpit:

                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INmHGaRsFPI
                                      Thanks

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                                      • TR1
                                        TR1
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                                        • Oct 2010
                                        • 9818

                                        Nice pic:

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                                        • TR1
                                          TR1
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                                          • Oct 2010
                                          • 9818

                                          https://function.mil.ru/news_page/co...2157285@egNews

                                          В дальнейшем будем менять практически весь парк оперативно-тактической авиации на Су-30СМ – он станет нашим базовым самолетом, - добавил генерал-майор И. Кожин.
                                          VMF intends to replace almost its entire tactical aviation fleet with Su-30SMs.
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