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  • Austin
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    • Oct 2003
    • 6473

    The numbers looks reasonable enough for me. Afterall it's an ICBM interceptor it definitely require speed. Further calculations need to wait at least missile's dimension and general shape.
    More so since these are terminal defence system and not high altitude or midcourse ones , speed would be one quality need to intercept at altitude of 30 km for an object approaching at speed of atleast 5 km/sec


    Pitor Butwoski says A-100 is S Band AESA but I read its dual S and L band AESA ......needs confirmation
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    • stealthflanker
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      • Sep 2015
      • 1015


      Pitor Butwoski says A-100 is S Band AESA but I read its dual S and L band AESA ......needs confirmation
      Well no need of confirmation. The rotating radome itself already said it. S-band AESA for surveillance at one face (front) While the L-band IFF antenna is on the rear face. Pretty much E-3 and previous A-50 arrangement.

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      • Austin
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        • Oct 2003
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        ^^ Why do they need such big IFF antenna that it covers the entire rear face ?
        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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        • stealthflanker
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          • Sep 2015
          • 1015

          Not as big as the main array. But it's more like one you can find in Airport above the ARSR radar. Plus it may also contain other antenna too. the E-3 also carries TADIL-C antenna inside the same place as the rotodome.

          The one in A-50 might contain datalink antenna too.

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          • Austin
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            • Oct 2003
            • 6473

            Russia will sign an agreement on the use of Egyptian airfields

            December 1st, 4:44 am

            According to the documents published on November 30, 2017 on the official portal of legal information, the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev instructed the Russian Ministry of Defense, with the participation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, to negotiate with the Egyptian government and sign an agreement on "the use of airspace and airfield infrastructure of Russia and Egypt ".

            The draft text of the agreement, previously approved by the governments of the two countries, has also been published.
            "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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            • TR1
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              • Oct 2010
              • 9818

              https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2979815.html

              6 more Su-35s to Karelia. So that makes total serial delivered to VKS at....68?

              https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2979877.html

              Suddenly....Uzbekistan intends to buy 12 Mi-35M, deliveries to start in 2018.
              This is the first major arms purchase from Russia since military cooperation has resumed at some level in late 2016.
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              • TR1
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                • Oct 2010
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                Bondarev spoke about the "failed" electronics Mi-28
                Bondarev says a lot of things since leaving his post, but this just reinforces what we already know- Tor sight sucks and was mediocre even two decades ago.
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                • Austin
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                  • Oct 2003
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                  TR1 Viktor Cooper spoke about Sensor issue with Mi-28N in Syria ops any information how Mi-35M performed ?
                  "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                  • TR1
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                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9818

                    Pre-serial Ka-52, back in the day:



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                    • JSR
                      JSR
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                      • Aug 2011
                      • 4976

                      how big is the antenaa. wider than whole aircraft. plus the rest of equipment.

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                      • TR1
                        TR1
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                        • Oct 2010
                        • 9818

                        Su-34 with Tarantul:







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                        • haavarla
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                          • Dec 2008
                          • 6695

                          Nice find TR1.
                          Is this a product from KRET?
                          Thanks

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                          • sepheronx
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                            • Jun 2015
                            • 320

                            Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                            Bondarev says a lot of things since leaving his post, but this just reinforces what we already know- Tor sight sucks and was mediocre even two decades ago.
                            Do we happen to know if the optic system was replaced with Mi-28NM? Or what is happening now with it? I take it Russia doesn't have the issues with Ka-52?

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                            • TR1
                              TR1
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                              • Oct 2010
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                              • JSR
                                JSR
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                                • Aug 2011
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                                Antenna covering almost half the aircraft.

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                                • stealthflanker
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                                  • Sep 2015
                                  • 1015

                                  @TR1.

                                  We know that Kh-59 family (except the MK2) need APK-9 Tekon Guidance pod. This pod is unfortunately made in Ukraine (and so is the Tubus/Granit seeker) Im curious if Russian come up with new pod or just reconstitute the Tekon production in Russia.

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                                  • Kopyo-21
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                                    • Jan 2009
                                    • 212

                                    Originally posted by stealthflanker View Post
                                    @TR1.

                                    We know that Kh-59 family (except the MK2) need APK-9 Tekon Guidance pod. This pod is unfortunately made in Ukraine (and so is the Tubus/Granit seeker) Im curious if Russian come up with new pod or just reconstitute the Tekon production in Russia.
                                    The missiles on Su-24M2 in TR1's post are Kh-29T, not Kh-59M. Its seeker head (camera) sees and locks target directly before launching.

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                                    • TR1
                                      TR1
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                                      • Oct 2010
                                      • 9818

                                      Nice find TR1.
                                      Is this a product from KRET?
                                      IIRC it was from KNIRTI. KRET is just a holding company, they don't actually design anything.

                                      Do we happen to know if the optic system was replaced with Mi-28NM?
                                      One would hope so, the mounting looks modified on the NM, I am not aware of any details.

                                      I take it Russia doesn't have the issues with Ka-52
                                      Just from footage the Tor's vision looked like ass compared to the Kamov's GOES. A Mi-28N did crash during a training flight, no problems with Ka-52 to date.
                                      Also Ka-52 has a full nose radar that can aid in night flying and terrain avoidance, one of the many reasons this >>> Mi-28.



                                      Unrelated:

                                      An-124 that finished repairs @ Aviastar has been given the name "Oleg Antonov".
                                      The aircraft was out of service from 2003-2015, when it started repairs @ Aviastar.




                                      And a nice Tu-160 pic:

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                                      • stealthflanker
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                                        • Sep 2015
                                        • 1015

                                        @Kopyo

                                        I know it's Kh-29. What im asking is not related to the image but to the state of Kh-59. We know that alot of Russian missile components are made by companies across Ukraine. say seekers from Geofizika, Artem etc. Since relations with Ukraine is basically at lowest point now.. This brings question what Russians will do to get away from dependence on Ukrainian components. One Example is the Kh-59 which requires Ukrainian made Tekon datalink pod and Tubus/Granit seeker.

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                                        • maurobaggio
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                                          • Jul 2008
                                          • 521

                                          I have found out the expression 'red eyes' for the Mi-28N crew in the article quite interesting, but in addition about what has already been mentioned regarding the capabilities from Mi-28N optical sights, I guess the another factor that has been counted for the 'red eyes' are the lack of the Arbalet radar from Mi-28N.

                                          Iraq requested the Mi-28NE with the Arbalet radar while Russia has not made the same choice AFAIK, in fact Iraq has been extensive experience with AH-64A/D Apaches, although it was not very happy to remember in most cases, yet Iraq opted for the Mi-28NE with the Arbalet radar perhaps due to the results of the AH-64D witnessed by Iraq.

                                          The Ka-52 are command and attack helicopter, while the Mi-28N are attack helicopter, in a classic combat scenario the Ka-52 with its long range radar would have been able to locate targets such as: MBT, IFV, APC, SPG , MRLS and attack them or bypass the target location through datalink for other attack helicopters such as the Mi-28N and Mi-35M.

                                          In Syria from what I was able to observe the attack helicopters has been conducting many 'free-hunters' missions. It has been patrolling certain areas and attacking targets of opportunity.

                                          As many of these targets are light vehicles such as SUV or small trucks the detection of these should not be easy for the optical systems available in the Mi-28N specially during the night, due to absence of the Arbalet radar should make it even more difficult than it has been occurring with the Mi-28NE from Iraq with Arbalet radars.

                                          In this case, the Ka-52 with its long-range radar has been better able to locate the targets as well as maintain a long distance from the targets in case of MANPADS or AA before engaging the targets with their optics sights.

                                          Anyway the second generation Mi-28NM has been equipped with radar over the main rotor, maybe this time the radar will come from factory for Russia.

                                          I guess the expression 'red eyes' from Mi-28N's crew could be because they can not blink of an eye over the territory of Syria, otherwise it will missing the targets or detect very close the enemy troops has been equipped with MANPADS or AA.

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