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  • bring_it_on
    2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
    • Jun 2004
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    ^ AWACS already serve that role.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    • TR1
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      • Oct 2010
      • 9820

      @Lonewalk

      There were some titanium sub structures left over. No wings , tail or anything that you'd call a jet.
      lol, only some substructures eh?



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      • TR1
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        • JSR
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          • Aug 2011
          • 4976

          engine size look small on A-100. seem old airframe is modified.

          Last edited by JSR; 19th November 2017, 05:35.

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          • KGB
            KGB
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            • Mar 2016
            • 1426

            whats the date on that pic ? 1992 ? doesn't look like it to me. But whatever. Its a shell. No tail, wings.

            There was 16 tu 160's. Now there's 17.
            Last edited by KGB; 19th November 2017, 05:50.

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            • MadRat
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              • Aug 2006
              • 5033

              I'm pretty sure it was 19 frames when you included the partially assembly frames in Crimea.
              Go Huskers!

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              • TR1
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                • Oct 2010
                • 9820

                What frames in Crimea??
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                • haavarla
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 6697

                  Madrat@
                  Ukraine mothballed most of their Tu-160's.
                  I'm not sure here but i think Russia managed to "trade one or two from them back in the days of break-up of Soviet.

                  My head count, was 16 airframes, prior to this new one.
                  Thanks

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                  • TR1
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                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9820

                    Russia traded Ukraine for some, the rest were cut up under American sponsorship.

                    There were no airframes in the Crimea to recover, or anywhere else in Ukraine for that matter.
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                    • a89
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                      • Sep 2011
                      • 374

                      The Tu-160s in Ukraine were based in Priluki, home of the 184 GvTBAP. First were received in 1987. When USSR collapsed there were 19. In 1999 it was agreed to transfer 8 Tu-160, 3 Tu-95 and 575 Kh-55 missiles in exchange of 275 million worth of gas debt. Another bird ended up in a museum (Poltava). The other 10 were scrapped with US assistance.
                      History and Military Technology blog

                      alejandro-8en.blogspot.com

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                      • blash
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                        • Feb 2016
                        • 61

                        Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                        The article suggests the missile is a Kalibr/Kh-101 style large, stealthy, long range conventional cruise missile, that can fit inside the Tu-22M3s bays.
                        According to Butowskis ordnance book, Izdeliye 715 is Kh-SD (page 20):

                        - subsonic stealth
                        - Kh-101 guidance subsystem
                        - ~6m long, weghing 1,5t
                        - Raduga engine model 37-04 (as in Ramms article)
                        - 2000km range
                        - penetrating and cluster warheads (no oether mentioned)
                        - operated by Su-34 as well
                        - by the time of writing (the book was released in mid-2017) was under way for evaluation

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                        • ink
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                          • Jan 2000
                          • 3575

                          The Backfire fleet seems perfect for delivery of glonass guided bombs - each plane could strike multiple targets per sortie - I don't see why they haven't been used for that in Syria.
                          Regards, Ivan

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                          • Austin
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                            • Oct 2003
                            • 6479

                            Likely because Tu-22M3 is upgrade with SVP-24 like Su-24 and unguided bombs are proven to be accurate enough to do their job upper CEP ~ 24m
                            "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                            • ink
                              ink
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                              • Jan 2000
                              • 3575

                              Likely because Tu-22M3 is upgrade with SVP-24 like Su-24 and unguided bombs are proven to be accurate enough to do their job upper CEP ~ 24m
                              Seems to me that the CEP is actually proven not to be enough to do the job seeing as the Backfires regularly dump their entire payload on a single target. Imagine if, instead of flying all that way to take out a single target, they could drop single bombs on, say, six different targets but with a much higher likelihood of success.

                              The only explanation I can think of that explains the way things are done now is that the Russians are keen to get rid of old stocks of dumb bombs... So, less to do with combat efficiency and pilot safety and more to do with keeping the operation cheap as chips. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just pointing out that Glonass-guided bombs are also a neat way to get things done and I'm surprised they haven't at least played around/demonstrated/experimented with that as an option.
                              Regards, Ivan

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                              • paralay
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                                • Aug 2005
                                • 1411

                                http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/248/2489674.html

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                                • haavarla
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                                  • Dec 2008
                                  • 6697

                                  I watched one of the latest vids of the Tu-22M3 over Syria. Did you guys see the way the hull of those KAB-500 was welded together..? Holly cow! Even i could do that in my Car port with my own tools.

                                  So i guess the question is.. how many Ruble or Dollar would a KAB-500 cost?
                                  Something tells me its ridicules cheap.
                                  Thanks

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                                  • Austin
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                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 6479

                                    paralay , is that patent showing Izdeliye 715 missile ? The drawing shows a fat missile
                                    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                    • paralay
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Aug 2005
                                      • 1411

                                      In the patent, the missile is naturally distorted

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                                      • Austin
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                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 6479

                                        Bondarev: agreed amount of GPU for 2018-2025 is 19 trillion rubles

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                                        http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4746605

                                        MOSCOW, November 21. / TASS /. The coordinated volume of the state program of armaments (GPV) for 2018-2025 is 19 trillion rubles. This was reported on Tuesday by the ex-commander of the Russian Air Force, the head of the Council of the Federation Council on Defense and Security Viktor Bondarev.

                                        "The new state armament program is almost ready, the finalization is in the final stage, I recall that for a long time the financing parameters have been the subject of heated discussion, but the agreed amount was 19 trillion. And if we take not the absolute figures but the average annual value, the current program turns out to be financially comparable with the previous one "- said the senator.

                                        He clarified that in some areas of work in the new GPV prolonged until 2027.

                                        Bondarev also said that the hypersonic "Zircon" missiles and the Skif ground-based missiles are part of the arsenal of the Russian Armed Forces.

                                        "To date, we have in our arsenal unique strategic bombers (Tu-160), OTRK with powerful ballistic and cruise missiles (the Iskander family), Sarmat TRC, air defense systems (S-400), intercontinental ballistic missiles, atomic missile cruisers with powerful anti-ship missiles (hypersonic "Zircon" missile), Skif bottom-based missiles, "he said.
                                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                        • niksi
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                                          • Apr 2007
                                          • 406

                                          @Austin

                                          Bondarev also said that the hypersonic "Zircon" missiles and the Skif ground-based missiles are part of the arsenal of the Russian Armed Forces.
                                          This would be huge if true? Are they fielded or what?

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