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    I think I explained it well enough. Everyone cherrypicks from "original" scripture, whether it's Christians or Muslims. The Koran Suras that Nicolas mentions above are a typical example as far as Islam goes - you can find things there that apparently condone crazy murderous things, and others that clearly disapprove of them. Pick and choose.

    It's the prevailing sense of morals that ultimately determines what to leave out and what to adhere to. It's a fascinating thing.

    You won't find all that many contemporary Christians who think that this is a good thing to live by:
    "This is what the Lord Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.'

    'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey'"
    (1 Samuel 15:2-3, Old Testament)

    ...But if some random Christian sect decides that this kind of ruthless vengeance is totally what God wants, then they aren't really wrong are they? Sure, the Bible does say "thou shalt not kill" but then in another part it says "the Lord says go ahead man, they're ***holes anyway, slaughter them all". Pick and choose, haha.

    It's all cherrypicking and interpretation, and the interpretations can get pretty wild, and the things that are deemed "acceptable" in the mainstream interpretations change over time as society itself changes. Islam is no exception, it's complicated. Also, just like you have all these Christian things, ranging from Judaism, Catholicism, Protestantism, Orthodox (Oriental, Eastern/Russian, Greek) with all their schisms and everything, and even more far newer things like Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses and all that, that came into being rather recently, in Islam you have a whole bunch of similar things.

    So who is more or less Islamic or Christian or whatever? Hint: Every single one of these are absolutely convinced that they got their particular interpretation right, and they can all explain why that is so, by pointing at the very same scriptures... Read the PDF file from Brookings above, it details the background to ISIS ideology and it's comprehensive and well sourced. You'll find that they all contradict scripture back and forth, because again - it's all about cherrypicking and interpretations.

    Excerpt on the origins of Salafism and Wahhabism, and waging jihad on the infidels:
    A distinctive Salafi intellectual genealogy extends to medieval times. The writings of the Syrian Hanbali scholar Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328) and his students
    provide the core Salafi theological corpus. Later significant Salafi thinkers came from the Wahhabi movement, or Wahhabism, a subset of Salafism founded in the Arabian Peninsula by Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1792). In the late 18th century Wahhabism was wedded to the Saudi political establishment, and remains so today. The Saudis helped the Wahhabis to impose their version of the faith across Arabia by waging jihad against perceived heretics for the sake of eliminating shirk and affirming tawhid. Wahhabi jihad involved the destruction of tombs and shrines and the enforcement of proper ritual practices, as well as cleansing Islam of Shi’ism.
    You can dig up a whole bunch of Suras that could be interpreted as condoning this, and a whole bunch of others that could be interpreted as denouncing this. And then when it comes to ahadith, that's where the real big schisms are, that spurred this all.
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      Unusually fresh looking (but obviously non-functional) Yak-38 outside Murmansk, in what looks to me as legit Soviet Navy colors (unlike the weird schemes they use elsewhere on monuments and at Monino etc):

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        @Dr.Snufflebug's : Unusually fresh looking (but obviously non-functional) Yak-38 outside Murmansk, in what looks to me as legit Soviet Navy colors (unlike the weird schemes they use elsewhere on monuments and at Monino etc)
        What do you mean by "legit Soviet Navy colors" ?
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          Originally posted by archangelski
          What do you mean by "legit Soviet Navy colors" ?
          Dark navy blue (as in service on the VTOL cruisers) or light grey (as here). Not this weird turquoise:



          Of course, I'm not a Yak-38 expert (or any other kind of expert for that matter) so I may be wrong, but in all the Soviet-era material I have they are either dark navy blue or light grey.
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            @Dr.Snufflebug
            Yak-38 and Yak-38M have had several shades during their use.
            Here is a special one :



            But you are right, this "turquoise" one is awfull.

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              I quite like the two-tone camo one, haven't seen that in color before, only in B/W photos. It makes the Yak look a bit Harrier GR.3ish.
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                Confuse whom exactly? The export variant is still advertised as Su-32FN.

                Regarding the carrier landing approach, 'one could see that it lacked modifications for that'? I guess this 'one' somehow missed noticing that it was a completely different plane called Su-33KUB, the only thing common with the Su-34 being the side-by-side seating arrangement chosen as being more convenient for a carrier trainer then the usual tandem.
                Well the Russians definitely didn't tell the experts in the West it was a variant of the Su-33. I still have publications from the time wondering why on earth are the Russians photographing a Su-32 on carrier approach with the presumption they're trying to confuse everybody as they've been quite good at in the past (unintentionally or intentionally).

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                  Even Erdogan said that there is no such thing as moderate Islam.

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                    Oh so Erdogan is a renowned Islamic scholar now?
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                      I bet Erdogan knows more about islam than anyone in Washington, except maybe *cough* Huma Abedin.

                      Get into your thick skull that islam isn't just a religion. It's a political/judiciary system as well. Muslims won't be happy until their land is ruled by sharia law. Anything else they will never respect/abide.

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                        Your boy's statements on Islam :

                        https://www.muslim.ru/en/articles/137/13878/

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                          Air-to-air missile of long range K-37 / R-37 / RVV-BD

                          https://topwar.ru/129275-raketa-vozd...37-rvv-bd.html
                          "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                            This discussion of to Islam or not to Islam simply has no place here. Please stop wasting our time.
                            Regards, Ivan

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                              https://topwar.ru/129275-raketa-vozd...37-rvv-bd.html

                              Besides illustrasjons.
                              Is there any pics of Su-35S carry anything larger than R-77-1?
                              Thanks

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                                For A2A. none so far.

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                                  http://rostec.ru/news/3084

                                  they speak about *quantum* ols and creating images in *two spectral bands* , which may be 3-5 and 8-12.
                                  QWIP?

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                                    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4724038

                                    Mi-171A2 has its first export customer, an Indian firm that has ordered 1 with another option for 1 more.

                                    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4721945

                                    2nd experimental Ka-62 will fly in December, third in 2018.
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                                      it also says. weopons launches from T-50 started.
                                      http://aviationweek.com/dubai-air-sh...-global-market
                                      The RVV-BD long-range and the RVV-SD medium-range air-to-air guided missiles have received the newest guidance systems with enhanced sensitivity and jamming resistance. As a result, their effective firing range has been extended dramatically.

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                                        19 trillion take into service

                                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3467573

                                        As it became known to Kommersant, next week President Vladimir Putin will hold a series of meetings with the leadership of the Defense Ministry, government members and representatives of the military-industrial complex. It is there that the parameters of the new state armament program (GWP) for 2018-2027 should be agreed upon. According to Kommersant's information, its funding was previously announced in the amount of 19 trillion rubles, which should ensure a balanced development of all types and services in the next decade.

                                        Military sources "Kommersant" note that the main difference between the new GPV and its predecessor should be the allocation of 1 trillion rubles. for the construction of separate facilities: the Ministry of Defense is motivated by the need to "synchronize the supply of weapons and the construction of facilities for their storage." However, in the financial and economic block of the government, according to Kommersant's information, they insist that the military should give an accurate account of the linkage of the construction of a separate facility to each of the types of weapons and military equipment. If the parties can resolve these issues, the total financing of the GPU until 2027 will reach 20 trillion rubles.

                                        In the new SAP, much attention will be paid to strategic nuclear forces: purchases of air-launched cruise missiles, submarine ballistic missiles and land-based intercontinental carriers will be conducted. Thus, in the period 2018-2027, new strategic solid fuel assemblies RS-26 Rubezh and rail Barguzin will be adopted, as well as liquid RS-28 Sarmat(carrier of hypersonic blocks - article 4202). The purchase of Su-30SM and Su-35 multifunctional fighters, as well as Su-34 front-line bombers (these all participated in the Syrian campaign) will continue in the aviation sector, the first purchase of a series of advanced Su-57 front-line aviation, 24 MiG-35 fighters, and also the strategic missile carrier Tu-160M2 will be acquired. In parallel, scientific research will be conducted on a prospective long-range aviation complex. Procurement of helicopters will be reduced ( see "Kommersant" on May 17), but in the interests of aerospace forces the serial production of the S-500 "Prometheus" anti-aircraft missile systems and Buk-M3 complexes, unmanned aerial vehicles and the new system of space optical-electronic reconnaissance "Hrazdan" will be deployed.

                                        In the part of the Navy, the program will be designed for the purchase of diesel-electric submarines, a new generation of Husky type nuclear missile carriers (with a new liquid intercontinental ballistic missile), as well as support ships, minesweepers, corvettes, frigates, communication vessels, experimental and research vessels . In the GPV will be present and the serial purchase of small missile ships capable of carrying cruise missiles Caliber-NK. According to Kommersant, the creation of an aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant is also possible within the framework of the GPU, however, the decision on the expediency of its construction will be determined by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces later. Land forces will receive new military air defense systems (including those developed within the framework of the RKD Standard), T-90 and T-14 Armata tanks, Kurganets-25 infantry armored vehicles and Boomerang armored vehicles. Emphasis will also be placed on the adaptation of armaments to the Arctic territories, in particular, the S-300V4 anti-aircraft missile system and the Tor-M2 anti-aircraft missile system. Experts also noted that the military will continue to improve the tactical control system, as well as take the sets of military equipment "Ratnik" in a configuration optimized for the requirements of the Airborne Forces.
                                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3467573
                                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                          How effective is the Two channel passive/active seeker against LO targets? Does it lock on air targets in a similar manner to anti radiation missiles , but just in the air?

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