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  • F/A-XX
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Apr 2011
    • 206

    I thought Su-34 was intended as an interdiction aircraft similar to the F-111, F-15E or Su-24. The armor for the crew has me rethinking that however. Just what was it designed to do? The Russians have done their best to confuse everybody about the thing, even back when they referred to as the Su-32 and photographed it on a carrier landing approach even though one could see it lacked the modifications for that.

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    • haavarla
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Dec 2008
      • 6700

      That Su-32 for Carrier was never an option. They did mess around with a Navy Aviation Striker etc at Rusobour export.
      Personly i don'T care much what designation you put on the Hellduck. Its capability is pretty well known. There is an upgrade in the pipelines. Its a good design. Its a multirole spanker, it can fly further with Payload vs any other similar platform. F-15E is the close contender. Another credible choice by Russia. Funny thing is, the design was developed decades ago..
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      • JSR
        JSR
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Aug 2011
        • 4977

        Well watching them drop dumb bombs on dumb jihad joes doesn't get old if you ask me.
        the size and quantity of bombs small. Tu-22 is not right aircraft for such mission. its wasting fuel. The only way of concentrated and sustained bombing is either built bigger bomber like Tu-160M2 or put planes local bases. the utility of SU-24/25 also going away. using two pilots for hauling relative to Su-34 is small size load.

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        • meme expert
          Rank 4 Registered User
          • Sep 2017
          • 45

          "Well watching them drop dumb bombs on dumb jihad joes doesn't get old if you ask me."
          "jihadis" are not terrorists. Terror attacks is against jihad ideals if we reasearch about it.If someone goes around killing people for no valid reason (such as self defence in war) then calling himself a jihadi then trust me , that is not really jihad in its islamic meaning.
          Last edited by meme expert; 10th November 2017, 20:10.

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          • sepheronx
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2015
            • 320

            Who gives a crap about its meaning. They are terrorists plain and simple, and they as an Islamic group.

            Anyway, any update on PD-14 engines?

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            • ijozic
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • May 2014
              • 613

              I thought Su-34 was intended as an interdiction aircraft similar to the F-111, F-15E or Su-24. The armor for the crew has me rethinking that however. Just what was it designed to do? The Russians have done their best to confuse everybody about the thing, even back when they referred to as the Su-32 and photographed it on a carrier landing approach even though one could see it lacked the modifications for that.
              Confuse whom exactly? The export variant is still advertised as Su-32FN.

              Regarding the carrier landing approach, 'one could see that it lacked modifications for that'? I guess this 'one' somehow missed noticing that it was a completely different plane called Su-33KUB, the only thing common with the Su-34 being the side-by-side seating arrangement chosen as being more convenient for a carrier trainer then the usual tandem.
              Last edited by ijozic; 11th November 2017, 17:21.

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              • JSR
                JSR
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Aug 2011
                • 4977

                MIG-35.
                http://aviationweek.com/dubai-air-sh...egrated-mig-35
                The preliminary flight tests of the MiG-35 stand in stark difference to these of the MiG-29SMT and the MiG-29K/KUB programs, owing to the changes of the aircraft`s working mode against ground targets, a substantially reinforced protection suite and assets to detect an enemy, and the introduction of a number of other technological solutions.
                The MiG-35`s armament suite has been reinforced with advanced air-launched weapons, including long-range ones that allow target engagement at stand-off ranges. The fighter`s new target detection and early warning systems that comprise an optical locating station, an active electronically scanned array (AESA), an integrated radar and other subsystems have demonstrated their capabilities to work in more than 50 modes during their trials. An extended armament suite, including guided and non-guided air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles fitted with various guidance systems, has been successfully tested.
                The MiG-35`s air-to-surface weapons have been shored up with the systems that allow the usage of the weapons against the targets lased by either a new-generation onboard laser or an external ground or aerial laser. “Despite the fact that the study of the new fighter`s capabilities will be a lengthy process, the decision to incorporate the MiG-35 aviation complexes will be made at an early date,” she pointed out.

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                • TR1
                  TR1
                  http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 9821

                  45 Su-25SM will get UV-25M countermeasures dispensers from 2017-2019:





                  Egyptian Ka-52s:



                  https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2942897.html

                  Six Ka-29 have been repaired @ KumAPP and handed over to the Pacific Fleet.
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                  • TR1
                    TR1
                    http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9821

                    lol, now ZvezdaTV is calling the Su-34 the Hellduck, but in Russian:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUOVFtfZTSQ

                    They stole from us!
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                    • haavarla
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 6700

                      Its been awhile since i last checked this, but i'm certain they modernized the TV/Laser Designator on the Hellduck!

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E13x-9Sz8Rc

                      See around 8 minutes
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                      • TR1
                        TR1
                        http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 9821

                        That is very much the same Platan as from the early days.
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                        • maurobaggio
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 521

                          Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                          Baggio@
                          Why should VKS keep at the fast flying CAS platform. Surly they are(just like A-10) a tool from Soviet era.
                          If Russia can field a decent Sniper pods and use it on all their Flankers and Su-34.. Hell even Tu-22M3 as long as it remains in service, then the Su-25 is not really needed anymore.
                          O=n top of this Russia have a pretty impressive new fleet of Mi-28 and Ka-52 going by now.
                          Thank you very much for not putting me on your ignored list, and in this way making me write this 'short text' below, in fact I had hoped that some charitable soul would have been accepted this mission with much better knowledge.

                          To be polite is an excellent and difficult question to answer:

                          I think like almost all here that the most important aspect for fighters should be the multirole( air-to-air, air-to-ground, air-to-sea) capabilities in order to accomplish different attack missions: CAS( close air support) , BAI ( battlefield interdiction) , deep and even strategic strikes.

                          Perhaps the most appropriate example of this had occurred in the first Gulf War in 1991: while B-52H and F-111F carried out battlefield interdiction missions, F-16C / D fighters carried out strategic missions as well as the A- 10 carried out missions to hunt and destroy TEL with TBM( Tactical Ballistic Missiles) missiles deeply in the Iraq territory.

                          The conclusion could have been that: you should have multirole resources to allow such broad aspect of missions as: to sweep the skies from adeversary fighters, then to shootdown SAM radar with DEAD/SEAD missions that will support such aircraft as the A-10 like in this deep missions over Iraq terretory against the SCUD missiles.Still the same reason could have been applied for the A-10 in this CAS missions.

                          At the end of the Soviet Union, the Su-25 had been shared the CAS with two other supersonic fighters-bombers: Su 17M3/4 and several versions of the MiG 27.

                          The Su-25 has not been intended to replace the Su-17M or MiG-27, even less the Su-17M4/R or the MiG 27K, once both Su-17M and MiG-27 were used in BAI (Batle Air Interdiction) missions too, while the Su-24s had been aiming on deep strikes at low-altitude missions, or on medium-high or high-altitude missions escorted by Su-27S.

                          With the end of the former Soviet Union all Su-17M and MiG-27 versions were withdrawn from service due budget restricitions from Russia in the early 90's. Then the Russia Air Force has been preserving the Su-25 and the Su-24M since the 90's, in reason of that the Su-24M has been dedicated for the BAI missions as well as the Su-25 for the CAS missions.

                          In the BAI at the presence of enemy fighters the Su-24M could have been show some maneuverability restrictions as well as Su-25 speed (subsonic) restrictions in the CAS missions, thus requiring a great deal for escort fighters (Su-27 and MiG-29)to protect against enemy fighters.

                          The MiG-27 were quite capable in WVR ( Within Visual Range) against other fighters in reason of that maneuverability and supersonic speed, so the MiG-27 were capable even to make dificult the life of enemy pilot that would pursuite the Su-25 in CAS missions, just like the Su-17M were more maneuverability and less expensive than Su-24M in most of the BAI missions, once the highly complex missions as deep strikes will remain with Su-24M.

                          Both Su-17M4 and MiG-27 would be withdrawn from service at some point by the Soviet Union, but the missions of these would be carried out by the multirole Su-27M and MiG-29M, as well as by the Su-34 that will replace the Su-24M at same point too.

                          The USAF has been keeping such balanced combination with the A-10 / F-16 as well as the USMC with AV-8 Harrier / F/A-18C/D in CAS / BAI missions, however the combination developed by the former Soviet Union with Su-17M4 / MiG-27 / Su-25 were undone due to terrible budget conditions in Russia over the years 90.The main difference between the US and Soviet Union were that F-16 / F/A-18 had been designed as multirole fighters, while the MiG-29 (9.12, 9.13 and 9.13S) were designed as air superiority fighter.

                          The situation of Russia has been improving since early 2000 with deliveries of: Su-27SM, MiG-29SMT, Su-30M2, Su-30SM, Su-34, Su-35S and MiG-29K( Russian Navy).

                          In any case, those new multirole assets has been capable to carrie out BAI missions as well as CAS missions, but in the CAS missions the introductions of new attack helicopters has been extremely relevant: the new Ka-52 and Mi-28N must have been revolutionized the doctrines of the attack helicopters by Russia, as well as the Mi-35M.

                          However, it should be also important to mention the new Kh-38M tactical missile, once it will be combined with the long range sensors as radars in ground mode from Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35S , it will enable them to carry out long-range attacks (over 40 km) against important targets such as MBT and IFV in CAS missions.

                          The Su-25SM has been extremely important for the Russia Air Force(VKS), once it has been modernized as Su-25SM standard since the early 2000s, yet all fighters has been keeping a useful life, and due to the large number of missions made at low altitude by the Su-25 since the Afghan War in the 1980s, is likely the same could started gradually to withdrawn from service after 2020.

                          I guess the point is that : the Su-25 has not been considered obsolete by the Russia Air Force, and because of this would be the reason for so many discussions about the Su-25 successor.

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                          • haavarla
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 6700

                            That is very much the same Platan as from the early days.
                            Yes after doing some more research, it would seem so.

                            I was just surprised by the vid. Been so long since i saw the Platan in action. So how does that thing work with FOW angle?
                            Looking at the three different glasses, one is angled over 90 deg under the jet, when extended. Can it lase slightly behind the jet?
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                            • haavarla
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 6700

                              That is very much the same Platan as from the early days.
                              They have decided to upgrade some 60 units by now with improved self-defense suite. That is something. but will they do it with more of them.. if not then it will face the same fate as the last Su-24M2.
                              We are really talking about a Duplication of capability here. Especially if VKS can get a good sniper pods to fit on all other platform for ground Attack.
                              A Su-30SM otr Su-35S with a Sniperpod can reach contested battle ground in so much quicker fashion vs any Su-25. They can also haul much more payload. The Flankers can stay well outside any MANPAD range. The future of VKS just as the future of USAF is without dedicated fast fliers like attack jets like Su-25/A-10. They will become absolete.

                              Perhaps some cheaper light Attack Turboprop is better, but they too will face the same manpad problems if they go to low..
                              Last edited by haavarla; 12th November 2017, 09:43.
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                              • haavarla
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 6700

                                Su-35S at Dubai Airshow. A slightly different Display this time.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaT4XsWrqSE

                                Two interesting vids on Russian Air and Space defense.
                                First one is perhaps the newest answer against low cruise missiles like Tomahawks

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f15o6x5KrR8

                                This is on the Strategical level, Voronezh Radars:

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSPpKhzN8Jg
                                Last edited by haavarla; 12th November 2017, 10:43.
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                                • meme expert
                                  Rank 4 Registered User
                                  • Sep 2017
                                  • 45

                                  sephernox , ISIS is terrorist group no doubt ; but not islamic. Just because they have islamic state as their name doesnt mean they are islamic.

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                                  • Dr.Snufflebug
                                    Boggleboople snufflebug
                                    • Aug 2012
                                    • 527

                                    Russian Helicopters managing director Boginsky said in an interview the other day that the modified Mi-24 (white 271) flew quite comfortably at 405km/h with its new high-speed composite blades and everything.

                                    That would be a new (true, i.e. not compound or rotodyne) helicopter airspeed world record, beating the 400km/h Lynx that has stood for 30 years.
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                                    • Dr.Snufflebug
                                      Boggleboople snufflebug
                                      • Aug 2012
                                      • 527

                                      Originally posted by meme expert
                                      sephernox , ISIS is terrorist group no doubt ; but not islamic. Just because they have islamic state as their name doesnt mean they are Islamic.
                                      Bit off topic here, but they are very much Islamic indeed. Just not mainstream Islamic, but they adhere to a distinct but widely recognized Jihadi Salafi/Wahhabi interpretation of Sunni Islam that appeared 300-400 years ago:
                                      https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content...amic-State.pdf

                                      Oftentimes you hear things like "but they do things that the Koran specifically denounces", but that's a pretty pointless remark as almost all the other interpretations eventually do that too (not to mention how much cherrypicking that's been done by Christians over the centuries with what the Bible says, it's pretty common that people wind up not exactly "following scripture"), and also they have a ton of post-Koran ahadith and other things (this is where the divide between Shia and Sunni comes from, for example, they adhere to different ahadith). The pure "Koranists" who disavow ahadith entirely are very few indeed in the Islamic world, and even they constitute several groups that don't agree on things.

                                      Anyway, the brand of Islam that ISIS sticks to is just one among many interpretations, sects, whatever, you have tons of them in most world religions. They aren't really any more or less "Islamic" than any of the other ones, but thankfully theirs is fringy and not all that widespread. The peaceful, common/mainstream Islamic interpretations get a lot of uncalled-for flak because of guys like ISIS, and that's sad, but a whole topic onto its own.
                                      Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 12th November 2017, 14:53.
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                                      • Nicolas10
                                        Senior Member
                                        • May 2005
                                        • 4523

                                        Pretty much shows limited knowledge of the quran too. The suran lets you do pretty much whatever floats your boat with infidels. In the quran & torah you need to distinguish what can be done with people who are in & people who are "infidels".

                                        Nic

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                                        • meme expert
                                          Rank 4 Registered User
                                          • Sep 2017
                                          • 45

                                          Whats the equivalent to tpy2 on the russian side?
                                          Last edited by meme expert; 12th November 2017, 18:08.

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