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  • sepheronx
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    • Jun 2015
    • 320

    Do we know what the MiG-31BM3 consists of in an upgrade?

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    • haavarla
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      • Dec 2008
      • 6703

      Do we know what the MiG-31BM3 consists of in an upgrade?
      You mean beside plasma stealth?
      Seriously i hope they expanded the weapon integration software and some self defense suite and radar for better Situation Awareness.
      Thanks

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      • TR1
        TR1
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        • Oct 2010
        • 9821

        Couple of Mi-35Ms to Mali:

        https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2876373.html

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        • KGB
          KGB
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          • Mar 2016
          • 1426

          @haavarla

          The most visible addition to the BM/BSM variant was the rear-view periscope added above the front cockpit canopy.[2] The MiG-31BМ's maximum detection range for air targets was increased in the upgrade to 320 km (189 for stealth). It had the ability to automatically track up to ten targets, and the latest units can track up to 24 targets and simultaneously engage up to 8 targets.[82] The on-board Argon-K computer selects four targets of highest priority, which simultaneously are engaged by long-range R-33S air-to-air missiles. Infrared search is interfaced with radar and is designed for passive search of the airspace, and for the targeting of R-40TD and R-60 thermal guidance missiles.[citation needed]

          The basic difference between earlier versions and the MiG-31BM[83][84] is that the MiG-31BM can act as a small airborne early warning aircraft. Onboard equipment provides interaction with surface-to-air missile units and can function as an airborne command post to coordinate the actions of other types of fighters with less powerful[clarification needed] radars.[15][unreliable source?]

          The flight-navigation equipment of the MiG-31 includes a complex of automatic control system SAU-155МP and sighting-navigation complex KN-25 with two inertial systems and IP-1-72A with digital computer, electronic long range navigation system Radical NP (312) or A-331, electronic system of the long-range navigation A-723. Distant radio navigation is carried out by means of two systems: CHAYKA (similar to the system of Laurent) and Route (similar to the system of Omega

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          • MadRat
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            • Aug 2006
            • 5033

            Go Huskers!

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            • TR1
              TR1
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              • Oct 2010
              • 9821

              Anteii is going to Egypt. Still surprised at the return of this previously big "customer" (lol) to Russian weaponry:

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              • FBW
                FBW
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Dec 2011
                • 3295

                So who thinks the Saudi MOU will actually lead to a firm contract for the S-400? Russian perspective please (not JSR thank you).

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                • TR1
                  TR1
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                  • Oct 2010
                  • 9821

                  They must have decided that to stop getting punked Houthi Tochkas, they need to buy from the country that made them.

                  IIRC they also decidd to buy T-90 years ago, nothing came of it. Arabs and MoUs are fickle....

                  On the other hand, it is rumored largely Saudi money paid for the substantial Egyptian spending spree in recent years...
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                  • stealthflanker
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Sep 2015
                    • 1016

                    Kinda huge overkill tho for Tochkas. The job could be adequately done by Buk. but well whatever floats their boat.

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                    • bring_it_on
                      2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 12480

                      They must have decided that to stop getting punked Houthi Tochkas, they need to buy from the country that made them.

                      IIRC they also decidd to buy T-90 years ago, nothing came of it. Arabs and MoUs are fickle....

                      On the other hand, it is rumored largely Saudi money paid for the substantial Egyptian spending spree in recent years...
                      They have been very slow to upgrade their existing air-defenses and are behind the UAE in the region as far as getting PAC-3s are concerned. Same with upping to a newer baseline for the system. They have a large PAC-3 order that will begin deliveries shortly, and I would assume they would upgrade radars and command and control systems (this was part of the announcements from back in May) at some point as well. Similarly, they are working on a THAAD deal, and a separate Air and Missile Defense Command and Control enterprise where Lockheed is expected to be their lead designer. How will the S400 integrate with all this (on top of western fighters, AWACS etc)? The political angle, and the fact that it would give them an opportunity to play with systems in their region (S300s and S400s with Turkey, Iran etc) and develop TTPs against them can help make some sense to this but as you rightly pointed out ME MOUs are very different than actual contracts. They tend to announce and then go dormant for a number of years.
                      Last edited by bring_it_on; 6th October 2017, 16:03.
                      Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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                      • sepheronx
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2015
                        • 320

                        Don't worry. Day after Saudi said they wanted S-400, US agreed to sell THAAD to Saudi Arabia. I doubt it will help them anymore than the PAC-3's they have already, but its their money, they can spend it how they please.

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                        • JSR
                          JSR
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                          • Aug 2011
                          • 4978

                          So who thinks the Saudi MOU will actually lead to a firm contract for the S-400? Russian perspective please (not JSR thank you)
                          my forecasts and statements are always accurate unlike yours. you can see Sudan airforce with MIG-29/Su-24/Su-25 has become active with longest joint exercises with Saudi. If you exclude North Africa. Sudan will get much more powerfull than other Afrikans.
                          https://www.rbth.com/news/2016/09/21...2-tanks_631993
                          Sudan to get 170 Russian T-72 tanks
                          with arrival of MIG-29M2/MIG-35 i am sure things will change much faster. 5 missiles per wing.

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                          • bring_it_on
                            2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 12480

                            Don't worry. Day after Saudi said they wanted S-400, US agreed to sell THAAD to Saudi Arabia. I doubt it will help them anymore than the PAC-3's they have already, but its their money, they can spend it how they please.
                            The THAAD sale to KSA has been in the acquisition and FMS system for a number of years now, and the case was fast tracked by the WH after the State Visit there, earlier this year that was accompanied by an announcement of the system as part of the large announcement of defense systems to be sold to them over the next few years. A DSCA notification is only the next step and this will follow more negotiations between the OEM and KSA over components, price, services and support. On the PAC-3, that was also announced in 2014/15 and went through the long FMS process with the USG. I don't think KSA has had any deliveries of that system as of yet but they should be getting some soon (or must have gotten some over the last couple of months).

                            As a reference, the first contract the USG awarded to Lockheed for the production lot that included interceptors meant for KSA was in late 2015 (November or December) so using the standard 24 month production lead time, they should be getting delivered soon (or must have gotten some very recently). I had posted some information earlier pertaining to the exact dates of the contract (not notification but a physical contract between USG and Lockheed) in a prior discussion with TR1. As far as their Patriot batteries are concerned, they are still legacy (not latest configuration) and utilize the PAC-2.
                            Last edited by bring_it_on; 7th October 2017, 00:19.
                            Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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                            • sepheronx
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2015
                              • 320

                              You say they don't have PAC 3. Others do: https://whitefleet.net/2016/07/16/ra...saudi-service/

                              The order was in 2015 so they have them already. And they don't work as intended like THAAD failures to shoot down NK missiles flying over Japan.

                              I don't care though. Saudi Arabia is a country I don't like so yeah.

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                              • bring_it_on
                                2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 12480

                                The order was in 2015 so they have them already. And they don't work as intended like THAAD failures to shoot down NK missiles flying over Japan.
                                The order was placed in December of 2015 by the US Government to the contractor. The deal was announced earlier (early to mid 2015), and the FMS notification was even prior to that (2014). Neither an FMS notification, nor an announcement constitutes an order only when the US Government contracts the said systems with the OEM does it constitute a firm order with a future delivery date. And you won't get deliveries of a system, train operators, establish logistic depots and modify 36 launchers months from the OEM receiving the order. It just doesn't happen that way. Usual lead time for most contracts is 18-24 months and it can take longer if the FMS case requires training, modifications to systems such as launchers, firing unit components such as radar, command and control etc.


                                News Report Dated : 18 Dec 2015

                                The US Department of Defense announced that defense Contractor Lockheed Martin has won more than one billion dollar US Army modification contract to build Patriot anti-ballistic missile interceptors for South Korea, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

                                Defense Contractor Lockheed Martin has won more than one billion dollar US Army modification contract to build Patriot anti-ballistic missile interceptors for South Korea, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the US Department of Defense announced.

                                "Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control, Grand Prairie, Texas, was awarded a $1,094,983,588 modification foreign military sales (Korea, Saudi Arabia, Qatar) contract... for Patriot Advanced Capability production (PAC-3)," the announcement on Monday stated.

                                The new contract follows an enormous $5.4 billion deal that Saudi Arabia signed to buy the upgraded PAC-3 interceptor missile to replace its aging force of earlier-model Patriot missiles that was announced in July 2015.

                                US Arab allies have sought to bolster their ballistic missile capabilities and anti-ballistic missile defense after the Iran nuclear agreement with the world powers.

                                In May 2015, the United States and Persian Gulf Arab countries agreed to expand defense cooperation. Saudi Arabia was the world's largest importer of arms in 2014, primarily purchasing weapons from the United States. - FNA

                                US Contract Announcement :

                                Lockheed Martin Missile Fire Control, Grand Prairie, Texas, was awarded a $360,667,452 modification (P00029) to foreign military sales contract (UAE, Saudi Arabia, Korea) W31P4Q-14-C-0034 for PATRIOT PAC-3 modification price requirements and additions. Work will be performed in Grand Prairie and Lufkin, Texas; Camden, Arkansas; Chelmsford, Massachusetts; Huntsville, Alabama; and Anaheim, California, with an estimated completion date of Dec. 31, 2018. Fiscal 2014, 2015, and 2016 other procurement (Army) and other procurement funds in the amount of $360,667,452 were obligated at the time of the award. Army Contracting Command, Redstone Arsenal, Alabama, is the contracting activity.
                                You say they don't have PAC 3. Others do
                                I have seen no evidence of their PAC-3's anywhere. No announcement, no photos of launchers (they are very easy to make out..16 missiles vs 4 legacy PAC-2s). If there is evidence of Saudi PAC-3's, please show it..Saudi Arabia has been slower than others in the region (Qatar and UAE) when it comes to placing orders on its Patriot modernization plans. Some argue that both this and THAAD deal was slowed by the USG under the previous administration. Regardless, they were even late to decide to move ahead compared to others. With THAAD they will likely get it after Qatar with UAE already operating a system.

                                And they don't work as intended like THAAD failures to shoot down NK missiles flying over Japan.
                                Time for me to exit this discussion!!
                                Last edited by bring_it_on; 7th October 2017, 01:13.
                                Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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                                • TR1
                                  TR1
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                                  • Oct 2010
                                  • 9821

                                  Beautiful 9-12:



                                  First Mi-28UBs are ready to be handed over:







                                  And these look like Mi-35Ms for the FSB:



                                  https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1248524.html

                                  This year 10 S-400 regiments will be built, 2 for China, rest for Russia.
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                                  • sepheronx
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Jun 2015
                                    • 320

                                    Il-114 test flight
                                    https://www.youtube.com/embed/tIDUDWYFa1U

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                                    • stealthflanker
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Sep 2015
                                      • 1016

                                      Im curious if there is any news regarding the new R-37 and the Kh-59MK2.

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                                      • TR1
                                        TR1
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                                        • Oct 2010
                                        • 9821

                                        MiG-29M2 in Egypt!



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                                        • Lonevolk
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Aug 2005
                                          • 746

                                          MiG-35

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