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  • TR1
    TR1
    http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
    • Oct 2010
    • 9826

    That article is terrible and you should feel bad for posting it.
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    • haavarla
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Dec 2008
      • 6715

      Concur.
      Anyway the give away, is how much dry thrust Su-57 will have.
      Not wet thrust.
      Thanks

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      • archangelski
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jul 2013
        • 2385

        Afterburners failed to light.
        Pictures of that happening at MAKS have been posted in the PAK-FA thread.
        The two afterburners failed together...FADEC problem ?

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        • Berkut
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 2216

          Isengard - please bananen yourself.

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          • MadRat
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Aug 2006
            • 5032

            Is Su-57 truly the official designation of the T-50 program? I've only seen fringe websites mention it.
            Go Huskers!

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            • MadRat
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Aug 2006
              • 5032

              Imagine if the Russians had actually built aircraft in series production that supported one another's supply chains.

              They could have leveraged the NK-32 program to build a MiG-29 class fighter. The Backfire uses two. And the Blackjack uses four. Of the same engine. Instead you have three completely different production lines.

              And it would have made more sense to replace MiG-23 with a single Al-31 derived design. The MiG-23 replacement and the T-10 derivatives would have used the same or similar engines. Instead you have yet a fourth and fifth production line, as Al-31 comes in two families.

              Russia cannot afford their military because it was never run lean enough to be affordable. The crumbling of the Soviet era war machine continues with every passing day.
              Go Huskers!

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              • sepheronx
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2015
                • 320

                what an inane post of yours madrat. There is a reason for the military modernization project and so far, it is doing what it is intended. And they have already restarted production of the necessary engines even for Tu-160. So for "not being affordable", they don't seem to agree with you. Neither do I.

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                • stealthflanker
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Sep 2015
                  • 1026

                  So, why B-1 runs with F-101 engine instead of PW-220 or something like that ? Will the new B-21 runs with F-135 ? or can F-135 core directly transplanted to B-21 engine ?

                  Is it so hard to understand that these fighters and bombers have different needs for their respective engine.

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                  • haavarla
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 6715

                    Yes that was a weird statement..
                    The AL-31F linage is now powering ALL the different Flankers around the world, the Su-34, even the PakFa for now.
                    Aaand on top of this it is powering the J-10 singel fighter in China. Yes its a AL-31FN version with different gearbox position, but still.

                    I'd say the two major Russian jet engine manufactors Saturn/UMPO and Salut is called for.
                    And they both shows revenues..
                    Thanks

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                    • Berkut
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 2216

                      @MadRat Considering Piotr Butowski stated it first and then it was officially stated by commander of RuAF, is that good enough? Yes, it will be Su-57.

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                      • FBW
                        FBW
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 3294

                        @stealthflanker- the F101 formed the basis for the F110 used in F-14D, the majority of F-16C, and some strike eagle variants. GE also used the F101 as a base for civilian turbofans powering 737's and some A320's. So, yes, the engines derived from the F101 saw considerable use on other platforms. No word on the B-21 but considering that PW was chosen, odds are the engine leverages technology (and possibly the core) of the F135.

                        Don't see anything different in Russian Engine dev, as Haavarla pointed out all current Flankers and derivatives are using Al-31F based engines.

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                        • stealthflanker
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Sep 2015
                          • 1026

                          The thing is that, how much commonality they share, you can't simply interchange stuff between F-101 and F-110. As MadRat seems want to put Bomber engine into a fighter.

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                          • KGB
                            KGB
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2016
                            • 1426

                            Do we really have to read that garbage from MadRat here ?

                            The whole point of the su 35, su 34 and the su 57 is that they are all built around the T10 platform. Yet here we have an expert saying
                            "Imagine if the Russians had actually built aircraft in series production that supported one another's supply chains.
                            Then we have this zinger
                            The crumbling of the Soviet era war machine continues with every passing day.
                            Not even worth a response. Russia has been bringing in new Corvettes, subs and fighter jets as just finished winning a war in the middle east. Resurgent demand from a winning proxy in Libya, new deals with Egypt and Iraq. New deals with gulf countries. But hey Russia is crumbling.

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                            • KGB
                              KGB
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2016
                              • 1426

                              Originally came here to post this. Since there is constant skepticism about Russia's order books. "who buyin the Mig 35 brah ? Nobody"

                              Russia’s Rosoboronexport state arms exporter at the end of the year will exceed 50 percent, Rosoboronexport said Wednesday citing Director General Alexander Mikheev.

                              Over the past five years, the share of aircraft supplies in the total exports of the company was about 45 percent.

                              “We note a surge in demand for combat jets. Its share in the total volume of Rosoboronexport supplies will exceed 50 percent in 2017. At the same time, the company successfully delivers products to other branches of armed forces as well.

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                              • Kopyo-21
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                                • Jan 2009
                                • 212

                                @Madrat

                                The engines of bombers always differ from the engines of fighters due to differences in nature mission, flight conditions and prioritized tiers. For example, the bypass ratio of modern fighter's engines are around 0.4 while bomber engine's are more than 1 (NK-25's is 1.45 and NK-32's is 1.36)

                                Tu-160s & its engine NK-32 were developed latter than Tu-22Ms and NK-25 engine. Soviet did plan using NK-32 engines for Tu-22M4 and one prototype was dislayed at MosAeroShow 92, MAKS 93 and Maks 95. However this version (Tu-22M4) had been stopped due to lacking of budget.

                                You can see the details of Tu-22M4 in Flanker_man's post here: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showt...00%3B-3!/page7
                                Last edited by Kopyo-21; 18th August 2017, 16:40.

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                                • JSR
                                  JSR
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Aug 2011
                                  • 4982

                                  Originally posted by Isengard View Post
                                  [url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/08/15/new-russian-jet-could-faster-launch-missiles-farther-than-u-s-f-22/568787001

                                  Aboulafia, however, says Russia must create new technology, particularly engine technology, to meet reach the specifications it is claiming.
                                  Engine technology?. That J-10 is flying with early 90s tech AL31 and from some of videos it is totally outperforming F-16 in flying characteristics. It's much larger airframe.
                                  "They still need to find the cash to fund the development of the complete version of this aircraft," he said. "They've been trying for quite some time."
                                  They certainly don't need find cash. Cash is only needed for import of external technology. in few years every one will find out who the rich country

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                                  • haavarla
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Dec 2008
                                    • 6715

                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X-Fg_wl5EI

                                    Anyone have any better vid coverage of Russian 105th Airforce day parade besides Ruptly/RT?

                                    I really liked the PakFa's display, even think its better vs the MAKS 17(yes i know they are pretty identical).
                                    Especial the last part where it goes post stall, sits on its engines, then goes full AB and Warps away!
                                    So much for underpowered..
                                    Thanks

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                                    • Berkut
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Nov 2011
                                      • 2216

                                      Zvezda TV were streaming it. But since people that work on the channel are actual retards - they cut out the stream in the middle of the parade (right after Tu-22M3 pass) and started to show some dumb old footage that had nothing to do with RuAF. I waited for over half an hour for them to switch back to the parade and eventually gave up. Was dumb crap like soldiers throwing sticks and god knows what else. They have this video but since they are retards (it can't be said enough) it is highly edited with annoying music and the sound of the planes is completely cut out; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4klsR5x5IKU

                                      So yeah, the one you linked is basically all there is.

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                                      • verbatim
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Aug 2010
                                        • 261

                                        Originally posted by Kopyo-21 View Post
                                        @Madrat

                                        The engines of bombers always differ from the engines of fighters due to differences in nature mission, flight conditions and prioritized tiers. For example, the bypass ratio of modern fighter's engines are around 0.4 while bomber engine's are more than 1 (NK-25's is 1.45 and NK-32's is 1.36)

                                        Tu-160s & its engine NK-32 were developed latter than Tu-22Ms and NK-25 engine. Soviet did plan using NK-32 engines for Tu-22M4 and one prototype was dislayed at MosAeroShow 92, MAKS 93 and Maks 95. However this version (Tu-22M4) had been stopped due to lacking of budget.

                                        You can see the details of Tu-22M4 in Flanker_man's post here: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showt...00%3B-3!/page7
                                        Still I think he scored a point there.

                                        Even with different performance and requirements, having a whole family of engines strictly related, has the potential of big benefits during the whole development and upgrade cycle.

                                        Add to this that Mig-29/35 is a very strange beast inside VVS, with no real savings typical of light fighter and still less capable than the Su-27 family.

                                        A clean sheet project, single engined (NK-32 sibiling, why not?) as successor of Mig-29, better again instead of Mig-29, would have made more sense.

                                        Less support costs (one engine instead of two), development work shared with baseline NK-32, cross-porting of upgrades within the engines' family.

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                                        • TR1
                                          TR1
                                          http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                                          • Oct 2010
                                          • 9826

                                          Do we really have to read that garbage from MadRat here ?

                                          The whole point of the su 35, su 34 and the su 57 is that they are all built around the T10 platform. Yet here we have an expert saying
                                          Maybe you should start by not posting garbage yourself.
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