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    Originally posted by medo
    I doubt it is about Su-33 A2A modes, what Rafales were interested in. They scan those A2A modes from Su-27 and Su-33 N001 radars many times in last decades, like over Baltic, etc. Most probably Su-33 radar got upgrade in its radar similar to Su-30KN program (similar capabilities like N001VEP) and they were interested in their A2G modes. Su-27SM and Su-30M2 have N001VEP radars, so maybe their A2G modes are not exactly the same. Su-30KN upgrade is in use in Belarus, Kazakhstan and soon in Angola, when their Su-30KN will be delivered from Belarus. RuAF also have a few flying Su-30KN in Lipetsk.
    There was only one Su-30KN ever made.. #302.. none are flying at Lipetsk.. the program never got beyond this stage as the role of the cheap Flankers has been taken over by the Su-30MKK/MK2.

    Belarus and Kazakhstan use an Su-27-based upgrade, called Su-27UBM1 and Su-27UBM2.

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      Good news, a full-sized demonstration version of Orion-E will be officially premiered tomorrow (probably should thank Chinese poking them with a Wing Loong, hehe).

      For now, here's the photo of it in Kronshtadt's chalet:

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      Couple of mock ups:

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      Orion-2 (5 tone, Altius-M class) mock up (early development stage, civilian certification preparations).

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      Fregat tiltrotor downsized model (10 kg) with ~30 flights in it's bag:

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      VTOL demonstrator (max weight - 30 kgs):

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      Specifications can be found here: https://missiles2go.ru/2017/07/17/orion-e/

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        1:56, the new pod.
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          https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017...r-cockpit.html
          7. In 2016, with Russian jets from the Kuznetsov over western Syria, Rafale crews operating in the area were tasked with entering airspace to acquire something they didn’t have: the attack mode of a Russian Su-33 radar. Two Rafales used their SPECTRA integrated electronic warfare systems on a 90 minute mission that finally ended in success. “It was a small but very important mission, and it helped sharpen how we use electronic warfare and signature acquisition in some of the most difficult and crowded airspace in the world,” a pilot who was in one of the Rafales says.
          In other words, the Rafales fled the area when the Su-33s that were tracking it changed over to attack mode.
          Now, lets see if the Russians will come out with their combat exposure in Syria and how they were successfully tracking Spectra equipped Rafale-Ms for any mischiefs.

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            The Rafale's were granted access to Syrian Airspace after the first Paris attack remember. France did some bombing mission in Syria shortly after. Stronk Man Putin ordered the MoD to give the Rafale Access.
            They were just escorted by Su-33. No need to overly dramatize this.
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              ^ That's what you should have told the Rafale PR team. Not to overly dramatize.

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                Overly dramatize? They were just collecting radar intelligence data that they use to program their RWR receivers, standard procedure really. The attack mode could simply refer to the STT mode (lock).

                The question is why would they single out the Su-33 radar. Perhaps it has some modifications to optimize it for over the sea operation which changes its signature somewhat? Or perhaps they were referring to the wartime radar frequency?

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                  No, there were two Su-30KN prototypes, b/n 302, which is in Irkutsk and b/n 597, which is in use with Gromov Institute. They also upgrade four Su-30 to Su-30KN, which have b/n 66, 67, 68 and 69 and they are in Lipetsk.

                  Irkut also deliver Su-30KN upgrade package to Baranovichi aviation plant in Belarus, which upgrade Belarus and Kazakhstan Su-27 jets with this Su-30KN package as they upgrade Angolan Su-30 to Su-30KN now.

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                    Su-33 is also equipped with L-150 Pastel RWR/ELINT complex, so they collect intelligence data on Rafale radar as well.

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                      http://ak-12.livejournal.com/72236.html

                      MiG is planning to have 22 MiG-29M/M2s in final stages of construction this year, so the contract for Egypt is proceeding rapidly. This includes 22 T220/E targeting pods (seen on the MiG-35).

                      https://lenta.ru/news/2017/07/19/sap518/

                      VKS Su-30SMs will be getting the SAP-518SM EW pods finally, 15 sets this year.
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                        Has there been a Russian air Force contract for such targeting pods yet?

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                          Originally posted by blash View Post
                          Good news, a full-sized demonstration version of Orion-E will be officially premiered tomorrow (probably should thank Chinese poking them with a Wing Loong, hehe).

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                          Orion-2 (5 tone, Altius-M class) mock up (early development stage, civilian certification preparations).

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                          Specifications can be found here: https://missiles2go.ru/2017/07/17/orion-e/
                          Intriguing... very intriguing!

                          I'm slightly disappointed with Orion-E to be honest, I was hoping that what is now called Orion-2 (which is far more elegant and interesting in configuration) would turn out to be it, rather than a 5t-class competitor to the Altius-M. That's a bit of a let-down on two counts.

                          1. My pet peeve again - pointless duplication of effort. Altius-M is a sound and potentially very capable design in theory, all that remains now is for the execution to live up to the promise and that's where adequate, regular funding is absolutely crucial. And even if Orion-2 is solely a private venture that doesn't divert any state money from Altius, any company resources spent on it are still lost to the cause of perfecting the smaller Orion-E which is also a critically important project

                          2. As mentioned, Orion-2 is IMHO a compellingly convenient configuration for a single-engine, pusher-prop UAV and certainly *much* more interesting than the n-th instance of the Hermes900/CH-4/Wing-Loong/Anka/etc. layout - booooring! Wings are quite clean aerodynamically (no prop-wash, unlike Altius - but then that's a twin-engine airframe, and there aren't many sensible ways of accommodating that differently), even if they are not quite as clean as on Orion-E due to the tail booms. However, it keeps the engine further forward, closer to the centre of gravity and the main landing gear which eliminates the need for preposterously long legs to avoid a prop strike on rotation (quite apart from saving some weight). Furthermore, having the main landing gear in the tail booms keeps the ventral fuselage free for payload integration near the CoG and provides a wide gear track for docile ground handling. With those large-span, high aspect ratio wings and tall, narrow gear, I suspect landing Orion-E and its brethren in cross wind could be a bit hairy. At the same time, unlike other twin-boom UAVs such as Heron, Eitan and BZK-005, Orion-2 does away with separate horizontal and vertical tails to keep wetted area (friction drag) and weight down, much like the V-tail UAVs do. Just an all-round sensible configuration IMHO that delivers a good compromise on a large number of sometimes conflicting requirements.

                          Quite apart from these points, any word on propulsion for Orion-2 (and Orion-E, for that matter)? I ask because it's hard to come up with a Russian domestic prop that would fit the bill for a single-engine, 5t-class aircraft. It would almost certainly have to be a turboprop, there aren't any reciprocating engines of sufficient power that I'm aware of available off the shelf *anywhere*, let alone in Russia. In theory, the VK-800S would fit the bill rather well, but things have gone awfully quiet over the past couple of years.

                          Ok, I also ask because the quoted 36m wing span, if correct, is an quite an eye-brow-raiser for a 5t airframe - so much so that I'm inclined to say either it or the weight are possibly wrong. If we very conservatively assume same aspect ratio and same wing-loading as Altius, MTOW works out to 8+t (depending on how heavy Altius really is), and if we're prepared to concede a bit on these aspects, 36m matches the initial variants of Global Hawk with MTOWs north of 12t! And that's (coincidentally?) a weight class where both a Russian domestic power plant solution readily comes to mind - TV7-117S - AND a requirement exists that is not met by any other active UAV project in Russia!
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                            More pictures of Orion (source: http://samoletchik.livejournal.com/90914.html):
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                            Video: https://vk.com/kronstadtgroup?w=wall-134327038_291
                            Last edited by Bellum; 20th July 2017, 01:51.

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                              Well finally, we get a solid enough drone!

                              Also, we can now safely say that sideslip was most definitely on purpose:

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                                Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                                Well finally, we get a solid enough drone!

                                Also, we can now safely say that sideslip was most definitely on purpose:

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                                  ^^^ Basically my reaction. Definitely need another angle of that tumble...
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                                    MiG-29M family @ MAKS:







                                    Tu-22M3 photos by Vadim:





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                                        So, we finally invented our own Predator-A... Wonder when we will see that heavy UCAV from Sukhoi.

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                                          Perhaps more fitting in the historical aviation part of these forums, but since it's MAKS and everything I decided to put it here.



                                          Ilyushin Il-2 from the 46th ShAP of the Northern Fleet (Pechenga), shot down in November 1943 over the Kola Peninsula and subsequently sank to the bottom of Lake Krivoye, from which it was raised in 2012 and ultimately restored to flying condition this year.
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