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  • TomcatViP
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    • Nov 2011
    • 6122

    Regarding the "Kulbit", watch closely the left tailplane. This a pilot input, not a correction (deflection is kept until full roll).

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    • medo
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Dec 2010
      • 326

      Modernized to Su-30SM is nonsense as it need Bars-R radar and engines with TVC to be in this level. Most probably it is about Su-30KN modernization package from the same Irkut as Su-30SM, which Belarus use to modernize Su-27 and Su-30 fighters. Su-30KN package upgrade existing radar to multirole radar with similar capabilities as N001VEP which Su-27SM have. I think Gefest was just a hoax and under this name they got modernization components from Irkut or from Belarus considering, that Belarus modernization mof Angolan Su-30K to Su-30KN is late. After all, Gefest didn't modernize any Flanker before and suddenly they modernize a group of Su-33 in few months and they become operational in real combat without any testing. They for sure got operational modernization package, which are Su-27SM and Su-30KN. Su-27SM package could be done only in KNAAZ so in Zhukovsky they could install Su-30KN package.

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      • TR1
        TR1
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        • Oct 2010
        • 9826

        Just when I think I am getting bored of Flanker post-stall maneuvers....that repetition is great.

        Unrelated: a few tantalizing clips of a MiG-31/R-33 firing, unfortunately too damn short:

        Last edited by TR1; 17th July 2017, 17:52.
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        • Berkut
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 2216

          Unexpected;


          https://russianplanes.net/id213426

          Will be like 3 Il-76LL frames there. One for TV7-117ST, one for PD-14 and one for hypersonics.

          EDIT;

          On the theme of surprises;


          https://russianplanes.net/id213440
          Last edited by Berkut; 17th July 2017, 21:14.

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          • sepheronx
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2015
            • 320

            Muxel has pointed out that those are very close to 338 conceptually.

            The latter, as well as the former, were originally supposed to be command line + IR (as well as 9M100), but the 9M338K mock up that was on a display circa 2012 did not indicate any IR seeker

            Combined with NVO publication circa same year claiming that they did not get the seeker figured out yet and the system [TOR-M2] has passed the trials using a missile without one (command line only, most likely said K-indexed 338), leaves the question open.
            Unless it is some kind of new IR system, they have been using IR for manpads, short range A-A missiles, etc for decades, so why would they all of a suddent have a problem, even though they use IR SAM's even now? I think there may be a bit more to this. This one could be a simple command one, and then there are other variants. Maybe not. Maybe the IR wasn't necessary?

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            • TR1
              TR1
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              • Oct 2010
              • 9826

              Yak-152 in those colors! What a sight, maybe one day they will join the Su-26s @ Borki. Yak-52s are old.
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              • Austin
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                • Oct 2003
                • 6506

                Interview with UAC president Yuri Slusar

                "We do not compete in the country, we compete on a global field"


                https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3360057
                "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                • Austin
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 6506

                  https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017...r-cockpit.html
                  7. In 2016, with Russian jets from the Kuznetsov over western Syria, Rafale crews operating in the area were tasked with entering airspace to acquire something they didn’t have: the attack mode of a Russian Su-33 radar. Two Rafales used their SPECTRA integrated electronic warfare systems on a 90 minute mission that finally ended in success. “It was a small but very important mission, and it helped sharpen how we use electronic warfare and signature acquisition in some of the most difficult and crowded airspace in the world,” a pilot who was in one of the Rafales says.
                  "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                  • Scar
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 682

                    7. In 2016, with Russian jets from the Kuznetsov over western Syria, Rafale crews operating in the area were tasked with entering airspace to acquire something they didn’t have: the attack mode of a Russian Su-33 radar. Two Rafales used their SPECTRA integrated electronic warfare systems on a 90 minute mission that finally ended in success.
                    Cool Story. Especially in the light of the fact that Su-33 are equipped with a version of the old and very well-known N001. And finally, what for Su-33 could use their radars in "Attack mode"?!!

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                    • haavarla
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 6715

                      A2A mode, fair and simple.
                      Thanks

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                      • MSphere
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 8983

                        As said before, it's quite possible that next to the SVP-33 system, the Su-33s might have been upgraded with A-G modes for their N001 in order to deploy at least a basic set of PGMs. That is how the quote "Su-33 will be upgraded to a standard similar to Su-30SM" can be explained, as I have severe doubts any Su-33s would ever get the N011M Bars radar set.

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                        • Scar
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 682

                          A2A mode, fair and simple.
                          A2A attack mode? Against who?! I don't remember Su-33 were involved in any A2A combat engagements, even against UAV.

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                          • mrmalaya
                            Generation 4.75+++
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 4664

                            gents, I have a question.

                            On the Su35S (post #3699) , what is the black/metallic/pearlescent material on the horizontal stabilizer?

                            Sorry if it has been asked before.
                            Last edited by mrmalaya; 18th July 2017, 14:30.

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                            • paralay
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 1418

                              Probably it's titanium. This allows the use of unguided missiles

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                              • haavarla
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 6715

                                Scar@
                                Why not, even tho its a limited Radar on Su-33. Its what it does best, A2A.
                                I'm sure the Russians is painting everything flying close to efreities River in Syria. It just a way of sending a message.
                                Edit;
                                Doesn't mean they intend to shoot down stuff. Leave the to the Muricans.
                                Last edited by haavarla; 18th July 2017, 15:38.
                                Thanks

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                                • mrmalaya
                                  Generation 4.75+++
                                  • Jan 2010
                                  • 4664

                                  Thanks Paralay, very interesting.

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                                  • Scar
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Nov 2015
                                    • 682

                                    @haavarla

                                    I already said - why.

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                                    • medo
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2010
                                      • 326

                                      I doubt it is about Su-33 A2A modes, what Rafales were interested in. They scan those A2A modes from Su-27 and Su-33 N001 radars many times in last decades, like over Baltic, etc. Most probably Su-33 radar got upgrade in its radar similar to Su-30KN program (similar capabilities like N001VEP) and they were interested in their A2G modes. Su-27SM and Su-30M2 have N001VEP radars, so maybe their A2G modes are not exactly the same. Su-30KN upgrade is in use in Belarus, Kazakhstan and soon in Angola, when their Su-30KN will be delivered from Belarus. RuAF also have a few flying Su-30KN in Lipetsk.

                                      When they talked about Su-33 anti-ship capabilities, it could be only about radar anti-ship modes and not about SVP-24, which was created for totally different task.

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                                      • TR1
                                        TR1
                                        http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                                        • Oct 2010
                                        • 9826

                                        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2733588.html
                                        AI-222-25 (Yak-130 engine) service life has been increased (after domestication and replacement of Ukrainian components).
                                        Before it was 600 hours TBO and 1200 total. Now, 1500 TBO, and 3000 total.

                                        https://lenta.ru/news/2017/07/18/engines/

                                        This year the plan is to make 130 "All-Russian" VK-2500s, part of the long saga to phase out Motor-Sich.

                                        https://lenta.ru/news/2017/07/18/mi38_military/

                                        MOD will buy "up to 15" Mi-38s by 2020. First two trial aircraft to be handed over in 2018-2019.
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                                        • TomcatViP
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Nov 2011
                                          • 6122

                                          @Medo:
                                          Weird deal (rather an innefective trade): strategic Spectra Vs AtG mode of an asset already burdened by the task of defending a crippled career.
                                          I wonder what could have been the urgency behind this given the short time the Ru aircraft were stationed in the zone...
                                          Last edited by TomcatViP; 18th July 2017, 20:52.

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