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  • TR1
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    • TR1
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      Nice Su-35 flip:

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      • TR1
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        • Austin
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          Cool story. Reminds me LFI/LMFS. Soon(tm)
          Depends if PAK-DP gets funded in GPV-2018 . IF it does then there is good chance we will see it else its LMFS way.

          Atleast the program and Mig-31 replacement was debated in State Duma , So there is some interest in replacing the Interceptor with another one but all depends if new GPV funds it.
          "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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          • Peregrinefalcon
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            • Jul 2012
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            TR1

            Nice Su-35 flip:
            I really hope that this was the pilots intention and not the large large amount of sideslip (associated with Kulbit maneuver) that led to a spin?!

            In any case it is impressive because if it was intentional it only shows the amount of controllability the plane possess and if it was the sideslip that led to a spin, it only shows how quickly and efficiently the plane can stabilize and manage such dangerous situations.

            Here is the example of Su-30MKI when the plane entered the spin during backflip, look at 1:00



            The plane went upside down, but in mere seconds the pilot was able to stabilize the plane and carry on with the routine.

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            • TomcatViP
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              • Nov 2011
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              Impressive for sure. But I am not convinced that the Su35 move was unintentional.

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              • Berkut
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                • Nov 2011
                • 2216

                T-50-9 pic no worky, here is an reupload;



                What is the source for it anyway TR1?

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                • Scar
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                  • Nov 2015
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                  "Disappointment. When 9M100 after 25 years of waiting is slightly enlarged SA-15 Gauntlet missile." (с) Mikhail Jerdev, aka Muxel















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                  • TR1
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                    • Oct 2010
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                    Berkut:

                    I think i nabbed it from here, but seems down there too:

                    https://aviaforum.ru/threads/budni-c...27147/page-180

                    Peregrine:

                    I had the same thought, thanks for the Su-30 video. Looked pretty controlled though, I guess we will find out soon if the routine is repeated during the event- I would like to see them introduce more forced spin entry and exit in Flanker routines, looks spectacular even to a casual viewer and is a testament to the controllability of the aircraft.


                    Su-27SM:

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                    • sepheronx
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                      • Jun 2015
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                      Depends if PAK-DP gets funded in GPV-2018 . IF it does then there is good chance we will see it else its LMFS way.

                      Atleast the program and Mig-31 replacement was debated in State Duma , So there is some interest in replacing the Interceptor with another one but all depends if new GPV funds it.
                      MiG-31 wont fly forever. They will have to replace it eventually.

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                      • Austin
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                        • Oct 2003
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                        9M100 is the 5th Missile of S-400 series , what type of guidance it uses ?

                        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2732719.html

                        Looks like its Active Homing missile .....I see two missiles there 9M100E & 9M100E-1

                        what is the difference between , The E1 seems fatter ?
                        Last edited by Austin; 17th July 2017, 04:29.
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                        • Austin
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                          • Oct 2003
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                          What is the redmissile that Su-35 is carrying ?
                          "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                          • TR1
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                            In which photo Austin?
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                            • blash
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                              • Feb 2016
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                              Originally posted by Scar View Post
                              "Disappointment. When 9M100 after 25 years of waiting is slightly enlarged SA-15 Gauntlet missile." (с) Mikhail Jerdev, aka Muxel
                              Frankly, I don't understand what he's hinting at. Was he expecting it end up being slightly smaller SM-3 or something? :/

                              Originally posted by Austin View Post
                              9M100 is the 5th Missile of S-400 series , what type of guidance it uses ?
                              Muxel has pointed out that those are very close to 338 conceptually.

                              The latter, as well as the former, were originally supposed to be command line + IR (as well as 9M100), but the 9M338K mock up that was on a display circa 2012 did not indicate any IR seeker

                              Combined with NVO publication circa same year claiming that they did not get the seeker figured out yet and the system [TOR-M2] has passed the trials using a missile without one (command line only, most likely said K-indexed 338), leaves the question open.

                              Originally posted by Austin View Post
                              What is the redmissile that Su-35 is carrying ?
                              If you are talking about the photo with 4 red mockups than the inner pylons carry Kh-38MEs with new shorter fin setup (you can see it on a static display as well as many other stuff here: https://missiles2go.ru/2017/07/16/ma...ni-do-nachala/), while the outer pylons have Kh-38UE with the distinguishable engine to the aft and, interestingly, short fins as well.

                              EDIT: ok, i got what he said wrong, he was comparing the base set up to an old 9M330, which is true, the missile doesn't resemble 338 much in that regard.
                              Last edited by blash; 17th July 2017, 07:05.

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                              • MSphere
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                                • Feb 2010
                                • 8983

                                Originally posted by Austin
                                What is the red missile that Su-35 is carrying ?
                                My question, exactly.. The ones under wings look like Kh-35U(E).. But the ones under the intakes are largely unknown to me.. Kh-38M(E) of some sort, perhaps?

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                                • MSphere
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                                  • Feb 2010
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                                  Originally posted by blash
                                  If you are talking about the photo with 4 red mockups than the inner pylons carry Kh-38MEs with new shorter fin setup (you can see it on a static display as well as many other stuff here: while the outer pylons have Kh-35UE with the distinguishable engine to the aft and, interestingly, short fins as well.
                                  shorter fin setup = fit for internal bays carriage?

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                                  • Scar
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                                    • Nov 2015
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                                    Actually, it's a pretty strange mockup. Something average between Kh-38 - but it lacks folded wings which you can see on the previously published photos of Kh-38 mockup, and KAB-250 - but KAB-250 wouldn't be installed on APU unit.

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                                    • Austin
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                                      • Oct 2003
                                      • 6506

                                      Modernization of Su-33
                                      According to Kozhin, all Su-33 Naval aviation Russia will be upgrading and will be brought to the level of the latest Su-30cm.

                                      "Half of the fleet of Su-33 received a new system of combat employment of naval and ground targets In fact, their capacity upgraded to Su-30cm All the Su-33, the armament Sea naval aviation, will be held this upgrade..", - said he.
                                      Kozhin said that before the end of 2017 60% of the total fleet will meet the current level of requirements for aeronautical engineering Naval Aviation.

                                      He recalled that two years in the Naval Aviation were adopted more than 20 Su-30cm. It formed a new regiment, which are armed with MiG-29 fighters.

                                      July 17th Naval aviation of the Russian Navy celebrates 101 th anniversary of the establishment.
                                      Подробнее на ТАСС:
                                      http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4417921
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                                      • Peregrinefalcon
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                                        • Jul 2012
                                        • 435

                                        "Originally Posted by TR1

                                        I had the same thought, thanks for the Su-30 video. Looked pretty controlled though, I guess we will find out soon if the routine is repeated during the event- I would like to see them introduce more forced spin entry and exit in Flanker routines, looks spectacular even to a casual viewer and is a testament to the controllability of the aircraft.
                                        You are welcome.

                                        Here is the video that can help us to some extent:



                                        Look at 5:38

                                        The plane definitely looks like it has some unwanted rotations, but when we watch at 6:37 and 7:00 there is definitely pattern to it and it looks like it was the pilots intention to do so.

                                        On the other hand we have also the example of "simple" Kulbit in this video from the rehearsal at 0:18



                                        In any case very impressive!

                                        Only thing that I would like to see for a change is PAK-FA pulling some serious G's, but I don't think this will happen any time soon?

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                                        • Berkut
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                                          • Nov 2011
                                          • 2216

                                          Su-35S is flying with new variants of Kh-35 and Kh-38 meant for T-50.

                                          Su-33 being modernized to "the level of Su-30SM" is of course nonsense - he is talking about Gefest.

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