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  • Sab3r329
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    • Apr 2016
    • 91

    Thank goodness, upgrade plan for Ka-52s.

    They seriously ******* need new sights(current ones are just old), some of the guncam footage shown before looked awful in the nightime shots.

    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=454336

    Now we have created a modernization plan of priorities - it can be fast enough to make that medium, that for the long term We have a mandate from the Minister of Defense about this, we're working on it." - A.Boginsky said.
    He said that first of all modernization undergo opto-electronic station, that is, sighting systems.
    "Plus one of the problems - the unification of armaments for the brand and the brand Mi Ka" - A.Boginsky said.
    According to him, soon will meet with representatives of the FSI and naval aviation to discuss the next plan.
    Last edited by Sab3r329; 22nd June 2017, 00:18.

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    • TR1
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      • Oct 2010
      • 9826

      GOES-451 footage looked pretty solid overall IMO, much better than Mi-28 and enabled accurate 8km ranged shots at night and day.

      The night footage did look grainy but who knows how much of that is compression from the video transfer.

      I found it very weird that Borisov mentioned "primarily range" as the cause for improvement desire, as the GOES-451 has shown no problems with that at all.

      However unifying Ka-52 and Mi-28 sights would be great indeed, though I wonder how that is possible....Mi-28NM is already flying and we know whats its optics package looks like. Hopefully this refers to pilots FLIR turret.
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      • Sab3r329
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        • Apr 2016
        • 91

        Well, IMHO I think GOES-451 is just rather old by now, and it shows. Please don't take this as an attack on the Ka-52, I am rather a fan of the aircraft, it has many impressive features to its name.

        The night time imaging looks very poor simply because the camera is simply out of date, and I do not think compression has anything to do with it as all the daytime imagery looks just fine, and the GUI looks fine across both instances(a reliable indicator), so unless Ka-52's computers do something funny in terms of how it handles the recording of video and numeral data onto its data banks, the sensor itself is just out of date.

        Daytime looks somewhat acceptable, though I do believe it needs to be full color as electro-optic systems now come with such modes.

        I think raw viewing range isn't the problem, but the quality and resolution is, which would affect how well you could shoot at such distances, target identification and all that.

        And yeah, adding an independent optical system for the pilot would be wonderful, especially if the start putting those HMDs that have seen into service and onto the pilot and gunner of both Ka-52 and Mi-28NM.

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        • Austin
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          • Oct 2003
          • 6506

          Not Military but portfolio of UAC Civil Aircraft Program

          "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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          • Berkut
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 2216

            Supposedly, MiG-35 for RuAF will have AESA and be powered by RD-33MK (not MKM?) with TVC;

            http://iz.ru/609094/dmitrii-litovkin...net-v-vozdukhe

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            • haavarla
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              • Dec 2008
              • 6715

              Which type of TVC would that be?
              Thanks

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              • JSR
                JSR
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Aug 2011
                • 4982

                Tu-160M2 more advanced than B2. Tu-160M2 starting soon.

                https://sputniknews.com/military/201...ects-analysis/

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                • JSR
                  JSR
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                  • Aug 2011
                  • 4982

                  it already say 12% more power. but practically MIG-35 is much more powerfull plane than any of its competitors. it can short takeoff with 5.5 ton load from Carrier despite much larger airframe than Rafale with higher top speed and altitude.

                  http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...g-35-this-year

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                  • Sintra
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 3851

                    Supposedly, MiG-35 for RuAF will have AESA and be powered by RD-33MK (not MKM?) with TVC;

                    http://iz.ru/609094/dmitrii-litovkin...net-v-vozdukhe
                    I dont read Russian, but doesnt that contradicts this:

                    Although it was previously offered to India with Phazotron-NIIR Zhuk-A AESA radar, the Russian military preferred the less-advanced Zhuk variant with slotted array. It can track up to 30 airborne targets at a range of 99 mi. (160 km)
                    http://aviationweek.com/defense/mig-...mig-35-fighter

                    Cheers
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                    • sepheronx
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2015
                      • 320

                      Originally posted by Sab3r329 View Post
                      Well, IMHO I think GOES-451 is just rather old by now, and it shows. Please don't take this as an attack on the Ka-52, I am rather a fan of the aircraft, it has many impressive features to its name.

                      The night time imaging looks very poor simply because the camera is simply out of date, and I do not think compression has anything to do with it as all the daytime imagery looks just fine, and the GUI looks fine across both instances(a reliable indicator), so unless Ka-52's computers do something funny in terms of how it handles the recording of video and numeral data onto its data banks, the sensor itself is just out of date.

                      Daytime looks somewhat acceptable, though I do believe it needs to be full color as electro-optic systems now come with such modes.

                      I think raw viewing range isn't the problem, but the quality and resolution is, which would affect how well you could shoot at such distances, target identification and all that.

                      And yeah, adding an independent optical system for the pilot would be wonderful, especially if the start putting those HMDs that have seen into service and onto the pilot and gunner of both Ka-52 and Mi-28NM.
                      what other optical system does Russia have they can utilize? Or you think this will be a new build?

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                      • archangelski
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                        • Jul 2013
                        • 2385

                        what other optical system does Russia have they can utilize? Or you think this will be a new build?
                        Maybe the same OES-52 than on Egyptian Ka-52 or Ka-52K...

                        Last edited by archangelski; 22nd June 2017, 16:35.

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                        • sepheronx
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 320

                          Quick reply! Thank you. After a quick read up, this system was first introduced in 2016. Is this correct? If so, then most likely will end up replacing the older GOES-451 and the system on Mi-28. It only makes sense to use common components between the two helicopters.

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                          • TR1
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                            • Oct 2010
                            • 9826

                            That OES is full of French components, it is a joint venture, so forget it for domestic birds.

                            I dont read Russian, but doesnt that contradicts this:
                            Not necessarily. RuMOD has always been waiting for the AESA to be ready, it has just taken so long that the first several MiG-35 pre-serials flew with Zhuk-M2. Previously it was mentioned by AF officials that the first batch would be bought with the Zhuk-M as a stop gap, but then again this is Izvestiya, which has been wrong before.
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                            • Sab3r329
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                              • Apr 2016
                              • 91

                              what other optical system does Russia have they can utilize? Or you think this will be a new build?
                              Well, I doubt they'd use the Sagem optics that were spotted on the Egypt Ka-52 since those are foreign.

                              I'd bet that they might use the Mi-28NM optics for commonality, and they both use the same weaponry so I would doubt that it would be a major problem.

                              What would be REALLY nice if the Ka-52 pilot gets his own electro-optic system like on the current Mi-28N/Ms, and the early pre-serial? Ka-52s.

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                              • sepheronx
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2015
                                • 320

                                Cool! Can't wait to see the upgrades

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                                • XTX-Horus
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Apr 2013
                                  • 23

                                  @ WP840:

                                  What is the frame over the front pilot's head inside the cockpit?
                                  That is a rail for curtains that will prevent the pilot from seeing outside. It basicaly forces the pilot who is in training, to learn how to fly the airplane using the instruments only.

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                                  • Sintra
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Aug 2007
                                    • 3851

                                    Not necessarily. RuMOD has always been waiting for the AESA to be ready, it has just taken so long that the first several MiG-35 pre-serials flew with Zhuk-M2. Previously it was mentioned by AF officials that the first batch would be bought with the Zhuk-M as a stop gap, but then again this is Izvestiya, which has been wrong before.
                                    Thanks, thats sensible and entirely possible.
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                                    • JSR
                                      JSR
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Aug 2011
                                      • 4982

                                      this incorrect. MIG busy with MIG29K/MIG29SMT/MIG29UPG/MIG29M2/MIG31BM projects with drones and prospective fighter and these are more aircraft than Dassualt or Saab Gripen/EF team handle at same time. MIG-35 just this year presented and will end test.
                                      In one year of signing of contract MIG35 deliver.
                                      http://www.migavia.ru/index.php/ru/n...omu-pokoleniyu

                                      Now the process is almost complete: we are at the final stage in the restructuring of the production. In 2016, we included the corporation Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft building plant "Sokol", and in January 2017 he became a full work within company culture MiG: where do the restructuring of the mechanical equipment, reduce production time cycles in the final assembly shop, conduct testing of aircraft. It is implementing a number of large projects on modernization of our flight test facility in Lukhovitsy. We have introduced, perhaps, the best production of the composite, which is in the aviation industry, has launched a new galvanic production. On Kalyazin update machinery factory machinery equipment. For all these reasons, I believe that the planned financial results will be achieved in the next three years.

                                      How long is the production cycle for a single machine?

                                      - Since the signing of the contract - a little more than a year. This, together with working and passing flight tests

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                                      • TR1
                                        TR1
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                                        • Oct 2010
                                        • 9826

                                        The latest in the interception back and forth:





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                                        • TR1
                                          TR1
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                                          • Oct 2010
                                          • 9826

                                          Open day @ Pushkin- apparently the Su-35 brought R-77s along with KAB-500Krs. Some good detailed photos:

                                          http://bastion-karpenko.ru/r-77-pushkin-170604/

                                          http://bastion-karpenko.ru/su-35s-pushkin-170604/

                                          And some close ups of the R-33 mounts on the MiG-31:

                                          http://bastion-karpenko.ru/r-33-pushkin-170604/
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